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thelabmonkey thelabmonkey's picture
Writ of Assault
So I was running a game in Locus and the pcs had been attacked by a bio-conservative biker-gang. A couple of the players got shot up pretty bad, but survived and figured out where the bikers lived. They were on their way to the bikers' den/lair/whatever when one of the players says "I think I'm going to tell security that we are going to attack these guys. I don't want the cops getting the wrong idea. " I had to take a half second to mentally switch gears at that point and do a double-take. This is a perfect example of Autonomist Justice in action. So the conversation that followed between the security sergeant on duty and the pcs was just... awesome. Here's the super condensed version: pcs - "These guys jumped us. Here's the spime-feed. Check it out. They are total *sshats. Now it's our turn." Security - "Yep. Just need to know what you are packing when you go mess them up. Can't have you tossing HE grenades or AP rounds about. Oh and when is the shooting going to start so I know when to file your Writ of Assault? I'll need your list of grievances and signature here, here, and there." So now whenever the pcs can, they present an advance "Writ of Assault" with the local authorities. :D
nezumi.hebereke nezumi.hebereke's picture
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Awesome! Fantastic.
Axel the Chimeric Axel the Chimeric's picture
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That's a pretty awesome idea. I'd be surprised if security didn't also send someone/thing to oversee it (like a few camera drones) too.
thelabmonkey thelabmonkey's picture
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With the ubiquity of spimes, if you are in an even semi-public place anyone would be able to watch and/or replay. Just another reason to make nice with the authorities... no need to disable cameras or edit vid-logs. :D
The Green Slime The Green Slime's picture
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Hmm. "An-eye-for-an-eye-for-an-eye-for-an-eye ... ends in making everybody blind." http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eye_for_an_eye Is this a commonly accepted view of autonomist justice? It seems rather like a 3000 year regression back to zero-sum tribal infighting.
Draconis Draconis's picture
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Welcome to the wild west yeeeha! Sheriff I reckon I'm going to have to serve some justice out.

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Arenamontanus Arenamontanus's picture
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The Green Slime wrote:
Is this a commonly accepted view of autonomist justice? It seems rather like a 3000 year regression back to zero-sum tribal infighting.
Don't worry, the militia is kept under control by the Consensus (the online voting of the community members). If they misbehave their rep is tanked... except of course this means that justice is determined essentially by Facebook. Or a People's Court in more old-fashioned habitats.
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Extrasolar Angel Extrasolar Angel's picture
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Brrr, sounds nasty, sure wouldn't want to live in such system. The ones who lie better get to kill you.
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The Green Slime The Green Slime's picture
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Don't worry, the militia is kept under control by the Consensus (the online voting of the community members). If they misbehave their rep is tanked... except of course this means that justice is determined essentially by Facebook. Or a People's Court in more old-fashioned habitats.
Ah, that's a bit more interesting then. I didn't very much like the notion of transhuman autonomists as mere backwater yahoos engaged in tit-for-tat shootouts.
Demonseed Elite Demonseed Elite's picture
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Justice by Facebook can be a pretty scary concept on its own, though. If you think celebrities can get away with murder now...
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What would celebrity be good for, if it's not to get away with stuff other would get punished for? This has to have some advantages to balance the loss of privacy Something that came to mind yesterday while watching V Let's say Lauren is the daughter and heir of a powerful secretely Posthuman Scum Barges fleet queen named Hanna. This fleet has taken root around a poor habitat and sucking it dry while maintaining an high rep as saviors because, to be frank Hanna is one hot MILFy broad! Thing is, Lauren has been recruited in Firewall by proxy of a Medusa Shield agent as she was dating her son Ty. She even helped Erica destroy a batch of growing Furies with forks of Hanna nearly ready to be released upon the unsuspecting habitat. And more and more Lauren has been taking part with the Firewall cell even behind Ty's back. My question is: should Lauren move against Hanna under the umbrella of Firewall, and be found, how would that result for her, seeing she's going to become the fleet queen sooner than later, but is completely antagonist to her mother's Post-human agenda? Another concept Dana King is vice-president, secretly daughter of Amazonian Entreprises founder and CEO Lyta Amazonia, who is moonlighting as anarchist/autonomist vigilante in Extropia. She lives with a bunch of Argonauts hackers, trying to find her own place in the universe and fit in (read: C-Rep and A-Rep aware). Some psychosurgeon pro-Planetary Consortium, Valeria Cale, is envying that position as near-the-top vice-president that she feels King isn't deserving, unaware Dana is the daughter of the big boss. What do you think could happen to Dana if her anarchist vigilantism and/or whom her mom is?
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Draconis Draconis's picture
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Um 42? Your question, (was that a question?), hurts my brain. }; )

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The Green Slime The Green Slime's picture
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I think Bobby comes out of the shower and Pam realises it was all a dream. No seriously what is this i don't even
mds mds's picture
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A Writ of Assault seems like a lesser form of declaring a party to be outlaws, with all relevant security companies withdrawing their protection from the named party provided the conditions of the writ are adhered to. First, the Writ is public, allowing the named party to contest the charges, and provide counter evidence. It also allows them to leave the habitat, go underground, or seek to settle with the aggrieved party by other means. Second, while Lex Talionis is certainly not an ideal law, it's miles ahead the unlimited retribution that might otherwise occur. Third, the Writ has a limited time period associated with it, often ranging from a few hours for a minor assault, to a week or two. Fourth it allows innocent parties to avoid the vicinity of the named party until the Writ has expired or been fulfilled. Fifth, it allows the local security team to set limits on the means used to assault the named party, reducing damage to the habitat or unintended targets. (E.g. no splash weapons, nothing that can pierce the hull, no biological, nuclear or chemical weapons, etc.) Sixth, unlike complete outlawhood, only the aggrieved party is allowed to assault the named party. If they wish to use a proxy to carry out the assault, the proxy must be clearly identified in the Writ. Seventh, in a world of cortical stacks and vat healing, personal physical damage is more of a financial setback than a mortal one. An eye for an eye leaves the world waiting in line to get their eye regrown. All Writs forbid the destruction, intentional or otherwise, of cortical stacks. Any crime severe enough to warrant the destruction of a cortical stack is handled with heavier tools than Writs of Assault.
The Green Slime The Green Slime's picture
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^ Wow, great post. Consider me enlightened to autonomist justice. There's always some angles I just never figure on in this damn setting. Re 'providing a chance for the perpetrators to escape': I'm led to wonder if there might arise a market, legitimate or otherwise, of auctioning off such writs to third parties who may be better situated to carry out the retailiation, or parties invested in carrying out a specific type of retaliation that would result in their own gain? I suppose this would just be bounty hunting with added punitive rights. It would raise some interesting political dimensions to the justice process, and would an autonomist society even see anything wrong with writ-auctioning?
thelabmonkey thelabmonkey's picture
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mds wrote:
First, the Writ is public, allowing the named party to contest the charges, and provide counter evidence. It also allows them to leave the habitat, go underground, or seek to settle with the aggrieved party by other means.
Interesting. As we've been doing it, it is issued into public record at the time specified by the writ up to the recorded time of assault so the players won't lose the element of surprise. They could present publicly or to the assaulties before hand, I suppose. When I originally thought of it it was pretty much only to cover #5...
mds wrote:
Fifth, it allows the local security team to set limits on the means used to assault the named party, reducing damage to the habitat or unintended targets. (E.g. no splash weapons, nothing that can pierce the hull, no biological, nuclear or chemical weapons, etc.)
It was less of an eye-for-an-eye feud thing as a way of giving the authorities who have jurisdiction the option to take care of it themselves (rejecting the application) or let the aggrieved deal with it. More like sanctioned vigilantism. Though I really like the refined regulations outlined. I especially dig the last bits:
mds wrote:
Seventh, in a world of cortical stacks and vat healing, personal physical damage is more of a financial setback than a mortal one. An eye for an eye leaves the world waiting in line to get their eye regrown. All Writs forbid the destruction, intentional or otherwise, of cortical stacks. Any crime severe enough to warrant the destruction of a cortical stack is handled with heavier tools than Writs of Assault.
I will have to refine my players' use of the writ now... thanks for the thoughtful insights!
mds mds's picture
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I considered the ambush angle, but decided that most of the time the people to get assaulted would get tipped off by the large number of security drones sent to monitor the assault and ensure Writ compliance anyway. With public Writs, you'd also get surveillance drones sent by bloggers and local news agencies, and reduces somewhat the ability to have the Writ abused by sending only partial data. I've thought some more about the Writs, and I think it boils down to a couple of things: Most security purchased is actually insurance. If you are assaulted, or in fear of assault, you can call in the security company to deal with the problem. Assuming the call wasn't frivolous, there's no extra charge to have the security officers show up, but it will be reflected in your premiums. Since most people rarely require security, this works out well. Many communities also purchase security for people in the community, and get better rates by also hiring full-time guards, and proper surveillance. These costs (amongst others) are passed on to the members of the community through membership fees. (Think Mr Lee's Greater Hong Kong, and the other franchised neighbourhoods in Snow Crash.) With the rapid and automatic communication in Eclipse Phase, most people rely on their community's security when they're at home, and only purchase additional security when they head out. A habitat will have its own security contracts, but these mostly concern the structural integrity of the habitat and its infrastructure. This contract also covers general peace keeping amongst the uninsured, since large altercations can lead to damage to the habitat, and it's easier to prevent these while they're still small. The flip side to the low insurance rates that make this possible is the conditions of coverage - the security companies don't want people antagonizing other (particularly uninsured) parties, then relying on their security insurance to protect them from the consequences. As such, acting in a manner that could be viewed as inciting retribution forces a renegotiation of the insurance contract. Although the security company will still guard you against greater threats to your being (e.g. deliberate damage to the ego or cortical stack; after all, the company still wants your money/rep), simple assault and battery from the named party will no longer be viewed as sufficient grounds summon security. A Writ is simply a notice that one or more of the following have occurred: (a) A personal security insurance contract has been partially suspended due to violations of the terms of service. (b) You are no longer under the aegis of your community's security contract. Depending on what you did, you might also get expelled from the community. If you're not, you might be able to take refuge in the community - although morphs with guns won't come to your aid directly, your would-be assailants might not be able to gain entry to the community. At least, not through the front gate. (c) The habitat's security will not view acts of violence by party [a] towards party [b] as an attempt to damage the habitat. Because of the public nature of the Writ, and an unwilliingness by most people to get involved in other people's problems, an assault covered by a Writ is much less likely to spiral out of control. If the target is amongst potential allies, if they can consult the Writ, they're less likely to view the assault on the target as an assault on the group as a whole and retaliate. Having a Writ active against you doesn't make you a pariah amongst security companies, but it does mean that you'll have to pay more to retain your old level of service. There are intermediary steps, where a larger payment doesn't give you complete protection, but will reduce the scope of what means can be used in the assault. This works at all levels, with well-paid habitat security being much less willing to turn a blind eye to any acts of violence.