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LatwPIAT LatwPIAT's picture
Elephant Sapiens
Elephants are some of the smartest animals around, so I'd figure that someone [i]somewhere[/i] would have tried to uplift them at some point. The possibilities of uplifted elephants are somewhat interesting in themselves too, so I thought I'd jot down some ideas. (Also, someone mentioned it yesterday, and I haven't given anyone here a Christmas gift, now have I?) [b]Sapient Elephant[/b] (with corrections from CodeBreaker) (Uplift) The sapient elephant is a morph that is simple in its execution. It takes the already gigantic brain of the elephant and enhances it with the wonders of transhumanity, uplifting it to transhuman cognition. It further augments the Indian Elephant's genetic template by cleaning up the genome much like splicers are to flats, and supplementing it with traits from the African elephants, such as an extra finger on the trunk. [b]Implants:[/b] Basic Biomods, Basic Mesh Inserts, Bioweave Armor (Heavy), Clean Metabolism, Cortical Stack [b]Aptitude Maximum:[/b] 40 (SOM), 30 (all else) [b]Durability:[/b] 60 [b]Wound Threshold:[/b] 12 [b]Advantages:[/b] +10 SOM, +5 COG, -5 COO, +5 one other aptitude of the player's choice, 1 prehensile trunk, 4 legs, Trunk Attack (1d10 DV+2, has Long Reach, may be used for Knockback, use Unarmed Combat skill) Tusk/Head Attack (1d10+3 DV, used Unarmed Combat skill), Water Attack (possibly distracting, use Exotic Ranged: Ink Attack skill), [b]Disadvantages:[/b] Elephants counts as a medium-large target (+20 modifier to hit in combat), -20 Freefall skill, Social Stigma (Uplift), Social Stigma (drain on resources), for jumping purposes Sapient Elephants have a SOM of 5 [b]CP Cost:[/b] 40 [b]Credits Cost:[/b] Expensive (100,000 Rare) [collapse title=Old version][b]Sapient Elephant[/b] The sapient elephant is a morph that is simple in its execution. It takes the already gigantic brain of the elephant and enhances it with the wonders of transhumanity, uplifting it to transhuman cognition. It further augments the Indian Elephant's genetic template by cleaning up the genome much like splicers are to flats, and supplementing it with traits from the African elephants, such as an extra finger on the trunk. [b]Implants:[/b] Basic Biomods, Basic Mesh Inserts, Bioweave Armor (Heavy), Clean Metabolism, Cortical Stack [b]Aptitude Maximum:[/b] 40 (SOM), 30 (all else) [b]Durability:[/b] 60 [b]Wound Threshold:[/b] 12 [b]Advantages:[/b] +10 SOM, +5 COG, +5 one other aptitude of the player's choice, 1 prehensile trunk, 4 legs, Trunk Attack (1d10/2 DV, use Unarmed Combat skill) Tusk/Head Attack (1d10 DV, used Unarmed Combat skill), Water Attack (possibly distracting, use Exotic Ranged: Ink Attack skill), [b]Disadvantages:[/b] Elephants counts as a medium-large target (+20 modifier to hit in combat), -20 Freefall skill, Social Stigma (Uplift), Social Stigma (drain on resources), for jumping purposes Sapient Elephants have a SOM of 5 [b]CP Cost:[/b] 40 [b]Credits Cost:[/b] Expensive (100,000 Rare)[/collapse] The Sapient Elephant has Bioweave Armor (Heavy) to represent that is has an extremely tough skin and that supplementing it with biowave armour would have little effect. It has Clean Metabolism because Indian Elephants expunge a lot, and it would be in the best interests of everyone in the habitat if it didn't expunge immense amounts of bacteria-filled matter everywhere. It is however, quite large, so I gave it a +15 hit bonus, which is greater than the +10 the book gives for a car, and I linearily interpolate it to 15 with basis in the +30 given for a side of a barn. Because elephants are quadropheds with a small trunk, they are atrocious at navigating in zero-g or low-g environments, and their immense mass and the square-cube law means they can't really jump at all, so for jumping-purposes they have a SOM of 5. The size also means elephant-morphs are ostracized because they require a [i]lot[/i] of resources, hence the second Social Stigma, which should also count towards other Uplifts and pro-Uplift Rights activists in relevant cases. The cost is a reflection of the resources an Elephant would require, not derived from CodeBreaker's formula. Which was pretty good to use, actually, although I feel it is difficult to accurately reflect the Sapient Elephant-morph with his system, because it is so unusual; its disadvantages are largely outside of the mechanics of the game, such as its complete inability to handle small places, or outside the scope of CodeBreaker's system, such as being not being able to jump properly, being large or having only one arm-like limb. CodeBreaker advised to give +/- 5 to 10 CP to the cost, but I'm afraid that might make the morph too cheap and/or too expensive; its disadvantages and advantages are very dependent on the situation, leaving much up to the GM. A more practical but less fun morph would be a baby-elephant or neotenic elephant, which would be capped at 30 in aptitudes, no size-modifier, about 40 DUR and a more reasonable credits cost. It could probably also be vat-grown in considerably less time than a full-sized Indian elephant, which weights at a lower bound 2.7 tons. If it takes a year to two to grow a humanoid biomorph, the Sapient Elephant would probably take quite a few more. Thoughts?
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CodeBreaker CodeBreaker's picture
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Looks good. I will be the first to admit that at times the system I did close to 2 years ago (bloody hell... Was it really that long ago? Or was it last year? Anyways!) sometimes fails, particularly in exotic cases such as this. It's something I hope to fix in the latest version that is going to be more universal. Regardless of this, there are very few things I can fault this on, but I do have an idea or two; First, I would advise changing the to hit modifier to 20. EP seems to shy away from giving out +-5 modifiers, and the round 20 fits in better. Second, your attack damage DVs are quite small. An average transhuman punching someone does 1d10DV. As such I would change the trunk attack to 1d10+2(Long Reach, May Knockback and Deal Damage) and the tusk/head butt attack to 1d10+3(AP-2). And lastly, consider either a -5 to COO, or a 25 aptitude limit to COO. Elephants are big animals, and while quite dextrous they are still quite clumsy. Oh, and specify whether it's an uplift morph or not. It's important for resleeving.
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LatwPIAT LatwPIAT's picture
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I've taken most of what you said into account, although I will note that I had a look at the Uplift-morphs in the core book, and there's actually no mechanical rule in the morphs-section that specifies that they're uplifts; they just have "uplifted" in their flavour-text and Social Stigma (Uplift) in their Disadvantages, so I assumed that anyone who were actually going to use this thing would be able to figure out that an elephant-morph that has Social Stigma (Uplift) and is described in its [i]own flavour text[/i] as "uplifted" counts as an uplift for resleeving-purposes. It strikes me that with the +2 and +3 for its various physical attacks, in addition to a free +1 damage-bonus from the +10 SOM and an average of +10 from free aptitude points, the Sapient Elephant has a large amount of close-combat bonuses. (The tusk/head attack as you described it was essentially free Cyberclaws in terms of pure physical damage.) Currently, all charging damage is based off DUR, so the Sapient Elephant isn't much more dangerous than a Reaper on those terms, but a Reaper is a hovering disk a meter across and the Elephant weights 2.7 tons; "realism" is perhaps not always appropriate. I didn't give it the (-2 AP) for the tusks; while I see where you're coming from, Indian Elephants have rather short tusks compared to their African relatives, and the tusks are actually rather blunt; I'd imagine its more like being struck with the blunt end of a spear than the sharp end. (Not that I have been attacked by an elephant before.) That said: [b]Weaponized Tusks/Horns/Antlers: (Bioware/Cyberware)[/b] The gene-expression of this morph has been augmented to strengthen its horns, tusk and/or antlers and change their structure towards a sharper, pointed, more tooth-like shape. This cutting edge augmentation gives attacks that use the horns, tusks or antlers -1 AP. The tusks, horns or antlers can be further augmented with smart materials to give them an actual knife edge. (-2 AP) If combined with eelware (p. 304) they can also inflict electric shocks. Likewise, weaponised tusks/horns/antlers can also deliver poison or nanotoxins secreted from a poison gland (p. 305) or implanted nanotoxins. [b][Trivial][/b] (-1 AP version) [ed. Is this too cheap? It's cheaper than the bioware retractable Claws, but it lacks the+1 DV of the claws...] [b][Low][/b] (-2 AP version)
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fafromnice fafromnice's picture
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like I said in an another topic elephant have the ability to "listen" to vibration from the ground so you have to create a special ability for them they are after all pack animal so like fury they are well in group then alone ;)

What do you mean a butterfly cause this ? How a butterfly can cause an enviromental system overload on the other side of a 10 000 egos habitat ?

Quincey Forder Quincey Forder's picture
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where could sentinels (the player characters) run into these uplifts? considering the pachiderms' herd society, it'd be interesting to observe how sentience modified that, or not. What values do they hold dear and also the whole deal of rampaging rogue elephants brought to the uplifted sapience
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The Green Slime The Green Slime's picture
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Three trunks. It needs three trunks. And mammoth fur. I imagine these morphs could be quite useful for long-range autonomous missions in challenging environments. The size of the body means they could pack a vast array of mods.
Lord High Munchkin Lord High Munchkin's picture
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OK, I have been wondering about a related uplift question. It's a slight, but related (bad pun), topic hijack, for which I apologise: Why has there not been an uplift of perhaps the most "uplift" ready common animal... the pig? Pigs are far smarter than dogs, birds, and cats (possibly more so than octopuses... although I'm not sure on that one). Is it just that people simply don't like thinking about the moral issues involved in eating the most intelligent domestic animal?
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I think that it's in Transhuman Space that there is that pic of an almost humanoid swine. Also, in Ghost In The Shell: Man Machine Interface, there are mention of hacking pigs? not sure, I haven't read that manga is so, so long! if you want to see great ideas for uplifts and other genetically engineered organism, I recommand you the reading of the Carmen McCallum's album "Road To Baikonour" I dunno if the book has been translated in English yet, tho, so some skills in French would handy
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Lord High Munchkin Lord High Munchkin's picture
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It's OK, I can read French. I was just wondering why the obvious non-ape, non-cetacean had not made an appearance.
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@Lord M:
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You can find Carmen McCallum on Amazon here: [url]http://www.amazon.com/Carmen-McCallum-Lint%C3%83%C2%A9grale-French-Duval...
You mentionned pigs and elephants as uplift, but what about rodents like rats, squirrels, badgers, tanuki, taxes surveyors, insurances and bibles sellers?
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@Lord M:
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You can find Carmen McCallum on Amazon here: [url]http://www.amazon.com/Carmen-McCallum-Lint%C3%83%C2%A9grale-French-Duval...
You mentionned pigs and elephants as uplift, but what about rodents like rats, squirrels, badgers, tanuki, taxes surveyors, insurances and bibles sellers?
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Lord High Munchkin Lord High Munchkin's picture
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Sadly, I wouldn't regard Insurance Salesmen (and politicians, journalists, estate agents) as "sentient"... it's more animal cunning and instinct.
Quigs Quigs's picture
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Really? :( An Elephant *never* forgets! Where's his Eidetic Memory?
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