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The zero gravity bedroom

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Arenamontanus Arenamontanus's picture
The zero gravity bedroom
Found an amusing article about research into how microgravity affects fertility: http://www.physorg.com/news/2011-01-sex-space-houston-problem.html Basically, it is bad for it in unaugmented organisms. By the time of Eclipse Phase I expect that this side, just like bone loss and lymph buildup, will have been corrected in modern morphs. Still, flats in space are going to need some medical help - any "natural human breeding program" in the Republic will have its work cut out for it. This topic of course leads to another popular topic, sex in space. NASA has the amusing official view that it has never ever occurred on any of their missions (not the slightly more sane "we respect the privacy of our astronauts"), and a fairly high-ranking NASA official I know was told when he asked to stop asking. Russians seem almost as prudish. At a conference on space ethics I attended the question came up, and they happily responded "But the crew are all of the same sex!" At which an ethicist pointed out that that certainty doesn't prevent them from having sex. Upon which the Russian delegation suddenly developed great translation difficulties and couldn't respond to the question :-) Obviously we need more private, and perhaps European, crewed space-flight to get real data. Maybe Big Brother LEO will finally give some answers. From a practical standpoint there are likely plenty of problems. Gravity is a useful placeholder and prevents bodies from drifting apart due to Newtonian mechanics. For the morphologically adventurous maybe remapping erogenous zones to more suitable places is a solution. Or Simspace it is. Actually sleeping in microgravity might be tricky. I expect a hammock-like cocoon might be one nice solution. Air circulation needs to be arranged but not to be too strong.
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nezumi.hebereke nezumi.hebereke's picture
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So how long until we get NASA-issued pornography? Seriously though, I don't think this is a real long-term concern, thanks to our enterprising porn industries. They already brought us the VCR and drove the success of the Internet. They've already paid $200k for a zero-g money shot in the vomit comet. It'll be maybe 5-10 years after commercial enterprises establish space tourism before some big shot porn studio gets to work portraying this, and it won't be long afterwards until they start solving those mechanical difficulties. (The other option would be to convince NASA that Russia is going to get there first and set our brightest minds on the issue, but that seems like a tough sell...)
Extrasolar Angel Extrasolar Angel's picture
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Well I fully expect in EP that drugs are available that can resist the effects of zero-g that can be taken by "flats". The government having control over them is a useful tool of control ;) Of course I expect military, science and engineering personel beyond the habitats to have some temporary modification or above flat biomorphs for their term of duty. I will also shamelessly promote my former creation that didn't got any attention, and which could be a solution to the issue for bioconservatives http://www.eclipsephase.com/jovian-morph-new-conservative-morph-idea
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Axel the Chimeric Axel the Chimeric's picture
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nezumi.hebereke wrote:
Seriously though, I don't think this is a real long-term concern, thanks to our enterprising porn industries.
That just gave me an idea for a small corp in the PC, or perhaps a Titanian microcorp: [i]Thrusters Firing![/i], a company that specializes in low- or micro-g pornography, sometimes even producing XP series on the subject. As the industry expanded, the market demographics did with it, and the corp now produces everything from outright porn to incredibly cheesey excuses for porn that resemble terrible space operas to surprisingly well-written dramas that just so happen to involve the characters being naked half the time. At present, their top selling feature is Through The Black Hole, a deep and engaging soft sci-fi thriller about a busty young explorer trying to oppose the threat of a secret alien conspiracy involving the Pandora Gates, who just so happens to really enjoy anal sex.
nezumi.hebereke nezumi.hebereke's picture
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And the best part is, thanks to the reputation economy, they can actually make a profit regardless of piracy.
Axel the Chimeric Axel the Chimeric's picture
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Just goes to show, the Rep economy is friendly. Really, really friendly.
Arenamontanus Arenamontanus's picture
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Axel the Chimeric wrote:
Just goes to show, the Rep economy is friendly. Really, really friendly.
Oh, the unfortunate implications! At breakfast: "WHAT?! You only gave me a +1 like! I thought we had something, I gave you a +4!" "Sorry... it might be my Earth upbringing, but it always feels so... commercial... to do the rep updating after sex." "You better bump my rep when you bump me."
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Extrasolar Angel Extrasolar Angel's picture
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Just goes to show, the Rep economy is friendly. Really, really friendly.
Just don't go into the storage room where we keep the cortical stacks of all the people we didn't like and didn't resleeve after nobody bothered to fix their oxygen tanks in space suits.
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The Doctor The Doctor's picture
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nezumi.hebereke wrote:
So how long until we get NASA-issued pornography?
I do not think that will ever happen. The media would have a field day with it, people would demand to know why their tax dollars went toward filming porn in microgravity, the anti-porn community would overflow its buffer... the civil servants would be praying for rain.
eriously though, I don't think this is a real long-term concern, thanks to our enterprising porn industries. They already brought us the VCR and drove the success of the Internet. They've already paid $200k for a zero-g money shot in the vomit comet. It'll be maybe 5-10 years after commercial enterprises establish space tourism before some big shot porn studio gets to work portraying this, and it won't be long afterwards until they start solving those mechanical difficulties.[/quote] Perhaps shooting porn in space using commercial space travel (as opposed to governmental) will be what jumpstarts the industry. The parody of the movie [u]Avatar[/u] Hustler made did a lot to advance the states of the art in (as well as drive the price down of) high-impact prosthetic makeup (heh), 3d cameras, and movie sets, after all... [quote wrote:
(The other option would be to convince NASA that Russia is going to get there first and set our brightest minds on the issue, but that seems like a tough sell...)
I do not see the upper echelons of NASA going for that.
The Doctor The Doctor's picture
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Extrasolar Angel wrote:
Just don't go into the storage room where we keep the cortical stacks of all the people we didn't like and didn't resleeve after nobody bothered to fix their oxygen tanks in space suits.
There would also be additional impetus to act politely and considerately on the set when working in the microgravity porn industry. "...you used my last morph's cortical stack FOR WHAT?!"
Arenamontanus Arenamontanus's picture
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Just found this paper, "Sex On Mars: Pregnancy, Fetal Development, and Sex In Outer Space " http://journalofcosmology.com/Mars144.html I am not too impressed by the text, which feels like rehashed pop evolutionary psychology in dire need of a sociological perspective, but there are still plenty of relevant angles. Humans confined to closed compartments compete socially to have sex, and this can lead to serious trouble (some of the anecdotes sound like material for adventures or background). Space is not a nice place for unaugmented hormones or pregnancies. Designing missions taking it all into account is going to be tricky and step on some people's sensibilities. To me, the most amusing oversight was the complete absence of reference to homosexuality. The paper seems to assume all astronauts are 100% straight. In fact, having a single-sex homosexual crew might solve most of the problems mentioned in the paper.
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Axel the Chimeric Axel the Chimeric's picture
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[img]http://img841.imageshack.us/img841/7241/201010213802465.gif[/img] For you to not have been at least thinking of this when you typed that would certainly be one of the largest coincidences I've encountered in a while. I still consider that a part of the reason NASA wants to avoid sex isn't so much pregnancy or even media scandal (though the latter WOULD be a concern). Even pregnancy isn't an issue beyond the potential harm to the fetus, since no mission lasts more than a few months. A woman could be pregnant before even leaving the ground and potentially not even be certain of it by the time she returns to Earth. Granted, on a mission to Mars, this would be a whole new problem, but there's solutions here. Just perform small surgical procedures on one or both genders to render them infertile (not castration, just tieing some tubes). It's the emotional ties that are the issue here, though. Like it or not, sex, like any act, has different meanings to different people. There's a reason soldiers aren't allowed to have relationships with other military members, or why corporations ban relationships with other employees: It plays havoc with morale, productivity, and efficiency. It hardly matters if they're straight or gay, it's still a bad idea to ignore this. It's also just as bad to ignore it and hope it won't happen, but it hardly seems something to be just allowed to happen.
Extrasolar Angel Extrasolar Angel's picture
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In fact, having a single-sex homosexual crew might solve most of the problems mentioned in the paper.
Why? Homosexual people are subject to attractiveness and jealousy as well as competition for mates as well. I am a bit surprised that with the amount of problems sex creates, there isn't something focusing on communities or lifestyles that abandoned that animalistic part of human nature. Especially since it seems possible in EP.
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Arenamontanus Arenamontanus's picture
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Extrasolar Angel wrote:
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In fact, having a single-sex homosexual crew might solve most of the problems mentioned in the paper.
Why? Homosexual people are subject to attractiveness and jealousy as well as competition for mates as well.
Obviously. But the paper seems to be more concerned with pregnancies than anything else. Having a single-sex heterosexual crew would also work, but it would just be frustrated and lonely.
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I am a bit surprised that with the amount of problems sex creates, there isn't something focusing on communities or lifestyles that abandoned that animalistic part of human nature. Especially since it seems possible in EP.
It is possible in the real world too, using the right hormone treatments. Interesting to note that this has not been seriously proposed for the astronauts either. In EP, I can certainly see people choosing to become neurally and/or physically asex. However, removing libido is one thing, removing the desire for deep emotional bonds another.
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Axel the Chimeric Axel the Chimeric's picture
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Arenamontanus wrote:
Having a single-sex heterosexual crew would also work, but it would just be frustrated and lonely.
It'd answer the question "What are the effects of masturbation in space?" pretty quickly, at least.
Extrasolar Angel Extrasolar Angel's picture
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It is possible in the real world too, using the right hormone treatments. Interesting to note that this has not been seriously proposed for the astronauts either.
Hmm, I would guess that hormone treatments might some bad consequences for the body as a whole.
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However, removing libido is one thing, removing the desire for deep emotional bonds another.
Well I guess we can do that in EP, the question is what happens next to the person who undergoes such operation. Are gestalt-like communities made of interconnected forks in cloned bodies possible as functioning units? Or perhaps I am asking questions that TITANs asked themselves about sentient creatures.
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Macroed Nano Macroed Nano's picture
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nezumi.hebereke wrote:
(The other option would be to convince NASA that Russia is going to get there first and set our brightest minds on the issue, but that seems like a tough sell...)
The Doctor wrote:
I do not see the upper echelons of NASA going for that.
Actually, it might work after all since the upper echelons of NASA are smart enough to know that if Russia gets there first it won't even want to cuddle afterward. ;) Hmm.. I think that I may need to lower my maturity rating since not only did the double entendre here (intentional or not) in nezume's post have me chuckling, I appear to be the only one willing to point it out. :D On a more serious note, I agree that short of a scandal that will make CNN think it's just gotten an early birthday present (either from NASA or some random billionaire with enough money for a space flight, but poor enough security to lose the tape), my money is on the porn industry for this one.
Arenamontanus Arenamontanus's picture
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Incidentally, "Packing for Mars" by Mary Roach seems to contain plenty of useful ideas and details about current astronaut life. In EP this is of course ancient history, but I expect plenty of problems to remain the same.
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The Doctor The Doctor's picture
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Axel the Chimeric wrote:
It'd answer the question "What are the effects of masturbation in space?" pretty quickly, at least.
I will take "Miscellaneous topics that will not go into the post-mission analysis" for one thousand, Alex.
The Doctor The Doctor's picture
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Extrasolar Angel wrote:
Hmm, I would guess that hormone treatments might some bad consequences for the body as a whole.
At first scratch, I would think that the subtle chances to muscle mass and bone structure that are faciliated as a result of altering balances of sex hormones might be problematic in microgravity. The changes the bodies of astronauts already undergo as a result of microgravity are tricky enough to keep track of.