I strongly, strongly suspect that the answer depends on the habitat. In the Jovian Republic, the Lost would almost certainly be hunted down. The same would be true in many Planetary Consortium habs, where the Lost are wanted as potentially dangerous threats to general order. However, more anarchically-inclined habs would probably be a lot more tolerant, if only to insult the hypercorps. Of course, other autonomist habs would have a bad case of mob-ruled fear of the creepy sociopaths... So, my answer is that it varies. Some habs are a lot more likely to care than others. I suspect that a lot of the Lost, especially those that need to visit a lot of potentially dangerous places (such as an ego hunter) would hide their IDs as efficiently as they can afford; others stick to Lost-friendly habitats, and are able to move relatively openly. Page 233 has some info in the last paragraph--the Lost are "recaptured", find sanctuary with sympathetic causes, allow themselves to be subjected to extensive psychotherapy, got killed, or faded into the general populace. The ones that went through psychotherapy are probably able to move pretty openly; the ones who sought sanctuary probably prefer to stick to those sanctuaries; the ones that are recaptured are probably terminated or used by the hypercorps for their own purposes; and the ones who faded into the populace are probably not advertising their Lostness.

I was thinking along the same lines vis a vis the ego hunter character, but this other picture (http://www.rifters.com/crawl/?p=808) is evidently a Lost as well and she appears perfectly normal... well... her interesting choice of cosmetics and accessories aside...

The Remade are the only biomorph with Uncanny Valley, presumably because it's described as a synthmorph-only negative trait. (The other morph I can find that comes with the trait inherently is Synths, who can cover it up with a Moderate-cost synthetic mask.) I'm not sure I'd let Bodysculpting get rid of the Uncanny Valley trait. Admittedly, plastic surgery in [i]Eclipse Phase[/i] is a hell of a lot better than it is now, but I can't help but imagine someone getting the surgery and having the results come out horrifyingly. But it is a potential hole in the rules. The main consolation is that money spent on the morph is money at very high risk of exploding messily.

Uncanny Valley is one of those very nebulous traits. You might not be able to say exactly what combination of features causes it, but you know it when you see it. On the other hand, a good plastic surgeon probably does know exactly how to work around it. Note the key here is "good'. Your surgery rate might not change but in play you'll probably end up using h-rep or f-rep to get him to schedule you for sometime less than six months away. Sure, its only low cost to get fixed at character creation. I'd have to say that if its fixed, its not a flaw. If you have a cyberarm on a biomorph you don't get CP for having only one arm. Again, after creation its easy come, easy go on morphs. Blow some rep, blow some cash, get it fixed. . . then get killed and wake up in a Fury that smokes.

jackgraham wrote:

Regarding Lost in other bodies, though, Lost are required to start with Futura morphs, and taking Lost as your background is a pretty good build if you want to be an async.

Well....if they take the Second Skin trait, they do not have to...and it is only 15 CP...

Actually, on this point... "Infected with the same virus that turns people into terrible monsters and leaves your brain wide open to TITANs guiding your actions like a marionette" ...as well as on some of the others, we'd encourage GMs to decide what fits their campaign best. The nature of Watts-MacLeod in particular is meant to be more a matter of rumor, a macguffin from which to launch plotlines. Asyncs are less interesting if everyone knows exactly what they are and is out to get them. That said, yeah, asyncs shouldn't go around advertising themselves, especially in places like Mars, where some corp is likely to want to nab them & cut their brain meats up for science.

jackgraham wrote:

That said, yeah, asyncs shouldn't go around advertising themselves, especially in places like Mars, where some corp is likely to want to nab them & cut their brain meats up for science.

Definitely. In my campaign, Cognite is actively collecting them for a project where... erm... I better be quiet and see if Rob is interested in paying me for it first ;)

If PCs are too happy to work with asyncs (or play them), it might be fun to have an async NPC suddenly erupt with some nasty exsurgent infections - might remind them what they are dealing with. Nothing is more dangerous than feeling familiar with something.

Deflare wrote:

In addition to making a Futura morph look non-Futura-like, it's also not impossible for a non-Lost to have picked up an old Futura off of the gray/black market and to parade around in an exceptionally untasteful artifact of post-Fall history.

I reckon the hypercorps working on the Futura Project would have tried to get quite a bit of publicity for it early on, and can't see any reason for them not to sell the morphs to the general public too. The project would probably have seemed like a good idea to many people, so having a Futura morph may well have been very fashionable in some circles. It could even have gone as far as something similar to the "give 1 get 1" scheme from One Laptop Per Child. That all changed when the project went bad of course, and new Futuras are now very hard to find, but there may still be slightly more old Futura morphs still in circulation than there are Lost egos. I think this is one of those GM decision things.

Tiempo wrote:

Michel Jackson ended having the uncanny valley trait after the surgeries... and all the ¿tryies? to remove it and look more natural, ended in a worst nightmare

There are other examples too, so perhaps attempting to fix this might actually make it worse. I figure no matter how much is spent on cosmetic mods the Uncanny Valley remains. Others may say that multiple applications of Bodysculpting are needed and the cost ends up being [Expensive], or perhaps that [High] will halve the stigma but the rest can't be avoided.

root@A question on the Lost [hr]

Tamayoke wrote:

I have physical charisma but I only can make long term friends out of "fringe elements" or the social groups left of center.

Yea...That one sounds remarkably familiar. Given that, I guess I shouldn't be shocked that Promethean is my favorite White Wolf game.

Has the question been answered on if Lost (and similarly-Uplifts) pay full Futura body price since it is mandantory at character creation? Or is it like Psi 2 (answered by RobBoyle back in 2008) ....not "FREE" but the 5CP "difference" type of setup? That aside; In upcoming game>>>> so far have sheet near complete- my character is Lost; now Brinker. Her name is Dharma Fossa Sevintoo. 72 was her control number and her second personality demands it be used. She started out in the Hypercorp machine when the project first disbanded and some subjects were "fixed" and released to some degree. Her employer at the time was extremely well informed and had sowed up with reasonable logical offers so fast she barely had stepped from the Psych Repair Facility. This lucky event insulated her from many trials others of her kind faced in the first years following the dismantling of the Futura Project. She worked on Mars for a Fa Jing Bio Division Exec, as personal/ lab assistant and chauffer/pilot traveling to their outer rim mining holdings to use her Psi and skills to solve medical issues and admin issues. While on Mars, she was becoming interested in Gatecrashing and the Argonauts. She's is a manic conspiracy theorist about her conditions and the cause. Not against Cognite specifically, or holding it at an ultimate responsibility. She believes the virus was introduced purposely. Her other personality differs on motivation. She thinks to make monsters to discredit project, but the specialty morph mutated the virus to milder expression-her personality 2 thinks a faction within the company was Titan agent and it was to make PSI soldiers that could be remotely taken over by Titans. She even thinks the poisoning of Earth wasn't a War of Nations or Titans, but a coporate war with backing by the expansionists and colonists needing influx of population, low labor workers and to be controller of economy.... a plan to make refugees to exploit that worked far too well. Crazy or crazy like a fox? Just before a trip to the Trojans... the witch hunts on Futuras and Lost began its condoned public expression. After being identified, she was contacted by both OZMA and FIREWALL...each saying the evil of each other and hypercorp, while trying to woo her trust to come to them. They managed to convince her they were both correct and she fled once out of inner system. Her former employer was used to her exclusive use as what he knew her to be adn was going to station her in an office outsystem. Though understandably grated by her full flight, later contact was safely made and still uses her for specialty business on the sly as she is careful to avoid exposure and he doesn't want treasonous accusations leveled when he is all about the good of the Corp for the Corps own good. Which brings her to the period of the game. She is now HYPER-Paranoid of contact by either organization being possible and does extreme and bizarre things to prevent detection. Psi told her about both that they wanted control and ownership of her person! at any cost..... She is paranoid in any situation that a scan could be possible and causer discovery of her location and identity. She is empathetic towards the Barsoomian plight, Uplifts and AGI. She enjoys the company of uplifts not in Hypercorp employ. She considers her smart rat her only trusted friend. Her secondary personality remembers being at Psiclone. Remembers the riots of children killing children .And the horrific authorative corporeal system that was implemented afterwards to "change" them. It made most worse! She honestly couldn't say if she attacked anyone first or in self defense in the madness. Though she remembers it spilling into her dorm. But she did use the most brutal efficient and quickest methods at her disposal and was one of several covered head to toe in gore, yet happily reading a lesson at her desk in when the event was quelled. Any musing by her secondary causes monstrous migraines later. She is a smooth and unremorseful liar especially if self preservation is triggered. with addition of Psi she can squeeze out of many situations that her unsettling demeanor may normally be obstacle to. She has focus of investigating Titans and genetics. She believes the Gates will lead to the Titans eventually.

Certain groups might be accepting of the Lost. Even as murderers, their psi abilities are a very welcome addition for those who need the ability to read and manipulate other minds. And with psi being such a rare talent, those looking for people with such capabilities are probably willing to overlook someone's past for the benefits of having them as part of their fold. The Ultimates have likely had a number of Lost join their ranks, as have certain other outer system groups. By providing protection to these asyncs, they now have a joined reliance on each other (one for safety from the hypercorporate groups hunting them, the other for having access to psi). This breeds loyalty.

Tamayoke wrote:

Has the question been answered on if Lost (and similarly-Uplifts) pay full Futura body price since it is mandantory at character creation? Or is it like Psi 2 (answered by RobBoyle back in 2008) ....not "FREE" but the 5CP "difference" type of setup?

It's a requirement of the background, not a granted attribute. No setup ever gets a free morph (outside perhaps an infomorph, or a very cheap morph with added negative traits). In contrast, had the Lost info said "requires the Psi trait", then the trait would not have been free.

Last I checked no. They just have varied mental disorders.