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Ego: President or Bus Driver? Infomorph Luggage and Other Questions

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nezumi.hebereke nezumi.hebereke's picture
Ego: President or Bus Driver? Infomorph Luggage and Other Questions
Resleeving has freed the mind from death. A person's identity, emotions and memories are safely sucked away from the dying body (and we are told this bit is called the Ego, which I will capitalize when referring to the EP concept). I am wondering what precisely is the 'Ego' in this context, how does the Ego work, and what is left behind? We clearly take the superego as well, as the newly resleeved don't start walking around without pants or drinking out of the toilet (not unless they did before they were resleeved, anyway). They take all of their muscle memory and their technical knowledge. But they leave behind the Id, right? The base drives and bodysense are tied to the morph, not to the Ego. I was reading "The Singularity is Near" by Ray Kurzweil. It includes the following passage (p.191): "We are able to predict or anticipate our own decisions. Work by physiology professor Benjamin Libet at the University of California at Davis shows that neural activity to initiate an action actually occurs about a third of a second before the brain has made the decision to take the action. The implication, according to Libet, is that the decision is really an illusion, that "consciousness is out of the looop." The cognitive scientist and philosopher Daniel Dennet describes the phenomenon as follows: "The action is originally precipitated in some part of the brain, and off fly the signals to muscles, pasing en route to tell you, the conscious agent, what is going on (but like all good officials letting you, the bumbling president, maintain the illusion that you started it all)." "A related experiment was conducted recently in which neurophysiologists electronically stimulated points in the brain to induce particular emotional feelings. The subjects immediately came up witha rationale for experiencing those emotions. It has been known for many years that in patients whose left and right brains are no longer connected, one side of the brain will create explanations for the actions initated by the other side, as if the left side were the public-relations agent for the right side." The ego (lower case) doesn't sound like it is driving the body, or even giving it broad direction, but is following along behind explaining to itself how it is still in control. While we identify with only the ego, the true 'us', including our decision-making, memories, skills and behaviors, expand well beyond that into the deep, dark unconscious. To a degree we might say 'so what? When you egocast, you're bringing the conscious and the unconscious mind both', but the answer is deeper than that. Neural processes jump across the entire brain as they work. If you alter one tiny piece, what impacts will that have on the rest? If you fold up the brain matter differently, if the brain is too small or too large, if the brain stem is configured oddly, it alters our physiology, and twists existing connections. What might be the results? Skills, memories, emotions appear or disappear as a result of brain lesions, shearing, or reduced or strengthened connections. And remember this isn't a case of the ego being in charge and altering its decisions to adapt, but a case of the unconscious being in charge and the ego justifies it after the fact. The ego explains to itself, "I am happy because I like this activity" or "I am jumping because I really like jumping", when in fact, you are jumping and happy because of a tremendous brain malfunction. Egocast into an improperly formed body and not only might you suffer tremendous mental, physical and personality damage, but you might like it! You might not be willing to fix it back. Consider fully the number of people designing morph brains (or farcasters, or egocasting software). How many of them are corporations eager to drive up sales? Private, fly-by-night companies? Individuals still learning the trade? TITAN-infected individuals, or Jovian saboteurs? Consider too the range of alterations available. Shifts in structure and size are one thing. But how would adding a hind brain alter your functions (and mess with your ego's self-justication, as it senses the ghost lag)? What about brains which have hardwired information, such as knowledge or memories, which can't be written over when you egocast in? What are the practical losses from data loss when transferring from an analog system (biological brain) to a digital one (cyberbrain), and do we notice them (can a cyberbrain remember... to love?) The rulebook handwaves this away with a few lines. But a little investigation suggests that this can be explored more fully - and the results can shake the world. I can barely imagine all of the evil GM things I could do by manipulating and breaking the brains of the morphs my PCs are jumping into - or the awesome neural hacking the PCs themselves will be able to pull off.
Arenamontanus Arenamontanus's picture
Re: Ego: President or Bus Driver? Infomorph Luggage and ...
nezumi.hebereke wrote:
I am wondering what precisely is the 'Ego' in this context, how does the Ego work, and what is left behind?
Hmm, sounds like you want to have a philosophy of mind for EP. Might be tricky, my academic colleagues do not even agree on one for the real world :-) I think one needs to distinguish between a few things: personal identity, minds, brains and possibly their parts. Personal identity is what makes us us. Minds are the subjective thing going on, involving thought, perception, emotions etc (not all of it necessarily conscious). Brains are the hardware minds seem to "hang around". People disagree quite a lot about how these things are linked (or even if there is any link at all - there are views that claim there are no brains and no real personal identity, just a lot of mind), where to draw the borders around them (panpsychists think everything is conscious, the extended mind hypothesis claims parts of our minds exist in the outside world) and what would happen if you uploaded a brain (a funcitoning mind? a zombie with no mind? no behaviour at all? *more* mind?) I think the Freudian division of the mind is pretty useless here. A functional upload need to have a working brain, and that involves not just the cortex (where the prefrontal cortex does have a lot of supergo-like aspects in terms of behaviour inhibition) but also the subcortical systems that are deeply involved in emotion, drives and bodily function. You cannot leave out the brainstem in an upload since it is involved in things like remaining awake. So you will have plenty of id around. As Damasio (and others) have pointed out, our emotional systems and bodily feelings are quite necessary for rational thinking. An upload without a simulated body (even a fairly abstract one) would not be able to function - we use our bodies as a part of our cognition and behaviour. That doesn't mean we need every little detail, just as an upload probably doesn't need every little chemical interaction in the brain. But if you leave out the virtual stomach you will not experience nervousness in the same way. The heart of an infomorph is almost purely there for emotional reasons, not to pump simulated blood. (Being a real-life uploading proponent I love pointing this out to people who want to escape the flesh and become "pure information". Ha! They are going to become even more hypochondriac when their flesh is a skinnable avatar!) The big mess is of course personal identity. Modern cognitive science seem to move towards the view that at best our identities is something we construct, just like we construct a representation of the world from our senses - and just as fallible, fragmented and largely made up. Lots of little subself systems making up a story that there is something called "us". In philosophy people have lots of different views, just check out http://plato.stanford.edu/entries/identity-personal/ I think that in EP many of the views assuming an atomic, nonphysical and unchanging identity have quietly died off. When people monitor their minds through cortical stack data, edit them through psychosurgery or designer nanodrugs, add new enhancements, can interact with uploaded or differently embodied minds, fork, merge, see people with neural damage, sleeve in different morphs and live for a long time, then I expect it is hard to claim that there is a core self that is always unchanged. Instead the question becomes: does this particular change suit whatever my current self-concept is?
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nezumi.hebereke nezumi.hebereke's picture
Re: Ego: President or Bus Driver? Infomorph Luggage and ...
So perhaps the one-line summary is 'the mind and identity are incredibly elastic, and are able to self-modify to changes in their largely-independent subcomponents'? This seems to invite the possibility that detritus left (intentionally or not) in the brain that survive the insertion of a new Ego could then be wrapped into that mind. We could 'leave behind' loyalties, skills, fears, memories, etc. in a morph and watch the new inhabitant try to incorporate them.
Arenamontanus Arenamontanus's picture
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Hmm, maybe this could be a good morph trait: Insufficiently erased prior ego (morph, -10) The brain of a biomorph has not been properly cleared from a previous inhabitant. Either there was a malfunction in the ego bridge nanoware, the user skimped on the reformatting to save time, or the biobrain is working slightly oddly. This should not happen under normal circumstances and is a serious sign something is badly wrong. In any case, traces of a previous ego remains. An ego sleeved on top of the old one will suffer occasional fleeting lapses where they think or feel differently from normal, remember things that did not happen to them (often very fragmentary and distorted) or even do things they do not intend. The effect is like an intermittent split personality or alien hand syndrome. Unfortunately reading out the ego from the morph will now read out the traces too - they will remain as neurological damage.
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Arenamontanus wrote:
Hmm, maybe this could be a good morph trait: Insufficiently erased prior ego (morph, -10) The brain of a biomorph has not been properly cleared from a previous inhabitant. Either there was a malfunction in the ego bridge nanoware, the user skimped on the reformatting to save time, or the biobrain is working slightly oddly. This should not happen under normal circumstances and is a serious sign something is badly wrong. In any case, traces of a previous ego remains. An ego sleeved on top of the old one will suffer occasional fleeting lapses where they think or feel differently from normal, remember things that did not happen to them (often very fragmentary and distorted) or even do things they do not intend. The effect is like an intermittent split personality or alien hand syndrome. Unfortunately reading out the ego from the morph will now read out the traces too - they will remain as neurological damage.
This sounds quite a bit like not getting enough sleep. I always hate it when my previous mind doesn't clean up after itself and I'm left feeling grumpy and bitchy about something it cared about that is no longer pressing. Stupid memory, always storing experiences and data from the past.
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