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Transhumanism and Posthumanism

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Transhumanism and Posthumanism
root@Tranhumanism and Posthumanism [hr] The Posthumans are the sons and daughters of Eve that sculpt themselves into a characiture of what it means to be the qua human, an exaggerated collection of traits deemed admirable by our societies expressing a desperate need to overcome the limitations keeping us from expressing who we demand ourselves to be. Transhumans take the different course by peering into the void and deciding that there is no soul to be lost by translation to new forms, that our definition of being comes from a perceived continuation of consciousness and environmental signaling that we can game for our own benefit. We hold these philosophies in higher regard than the mere brinker who simply does not give a damn and wants the future to get on with it, and from the philosophies we see as peering into the past for insight that never existed. Our degeneration and disregard for these competing philosophies is not grounded in fact, but in the same deep need to be right, to make sense of life that leads them to theirs. We can even find those with math to show that our beliefs are superior, but we hope for far too much. The future will get here, and it will always be less interesting than we imagined it to be. Where does this leave us in relation to the rest of society? Is it possible to stand up and defend these views in the face of family and culture? And if we did discuss these ideas in public, what makes us anything other than a philisophical cult of futurists engaging in magical thinking about technology? We will be living through a Singularity, but there are many systems that do not go particularly unstable when one variable shoots to infinite, so do not expect the heavens to part and nano-manna to rain from the sky. I am interested in finding out how much of what we discuss here is within reach of current technology and research, and how much of that subset is something that might actually be able to take root in culture. If there is anything non-trivial left, if no one is producing it in the current market, I want to find out who can get the money to get it done. If this turns out to be a decently long list of fundable ideas, we can make it into a checklist and work out optimal strategy for the young seed AI-in-training to make use of if it were to come along. At the very least, this list will give us interesting food for thought. At most? Well, lets just say sitting at the ground zero of a god-AI hard-takeoff Singularity could be wicked fun.
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Arenamontanus Arenamontanus's picture
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root wrote:
The future will get here, and it will always be less interesting than we imagined it to be.
But is that because the future is uninteresting, or because we get used to it? As I write this I sit in a building far higher and cleaner than my ancestors could imagine, using a device that stores and modifies information on a faster and larger scale than people could imagine just a few years ago - and it is far cheaper than most pieces of furniture in the room. I am communicating across the world, using technology to maintain a social network that would simply be impossible without a digital exoself. Many of the top news stories today would not make sense to someone coming from 30 years back (both in content and why they are considered news). I travelled over 1400 kilometres to meet with my family, and it took just half a day and cost me about two days' salary. And so on. But all of this entirely ordinary.
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I am interested in finding out how much of what we discuss here is within reach of current technology and research, and how much of that subset is something that might actually be able to take root in culture. If there is anything non-trivial left, if no one is producing it in the current market, I want to find out who can get the money to get it done. If this turns out to be a decently long list of fundable ideas, we can make it into a checklist and work out optimal strategy for the young seed AI-in-training to make use of if it were to come along. At the very least, this list will give us interesting food for thought. At most? Well, lets just say sitting at the ground zero of a god-AI hard-takeoff Singularity could be wicked fun.
I agree. But it might of course be "Who will be eaten first?" kind of fun. At our institute we try rather hard to think about these things (advert: we have a conference on machine intelligence and its consequences in January), and there are some pretty tough questions here: Is technology accelerating? The question is harder to answer than it looks, because Moore's law and Kurzweil's plots are not the entire story. There are some reasons to think tech is getting better at an increasing rate, but that might be counteracted by more complex economic and social factors. The difference between what we can do with current tech and what we desire is sometimes big, but often the real problem is transitioning something out of the lab and into the market - I have been looking for AR glasses since the mid 90's, but none have become economical. Yet we suddenly have pretty amazing realtime image processing even in phones (which do everything of what I imagined I wanted a wearable computer to do back then). Often new technologies sweep past old ones - optogenetics might replace implanted neural electrodes as the neurointerface of choice in a few years. Predicting future technology is a very hard problem. Past experience with forecasting is that it seldom works well, although it might help guide us a bit. Extrapolating growth curves is a mug's game for various statistical and fundamental reasons. This is extra true for technology we do not know how it is going to work (like AI). Yet there are clearly leverage points: the right amount of funding into a small field and the amount of innovation increases enormously (once funding and research becomes large different factors set in), so we could get a lot more discoveries done by focusing on a bunch of little researched areas. Some technologies have disproportionate effects across the social system (life extension, cognition enhancement, AI, anything that copies human capital), and many are often seriously under-funded compared to their impact.
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I forgot where I read this idea but it surprised me (because I had come to this semi-conclusion reading Baudrillard) but I believe technology does create the "core" framework that the social world is built on (compare a time when man's greatest mobility was the horse to the car... the mindset of men in both world will be immensely different just on this one thing: their concepts of distance and time). Not too mention technology is branching and proliferating very fast right now and as far as the future always being less interesting than we think it to be? I personally disagree but your prior comment to trans-humanity "peering into the void and deciding that there is no soul to be lost by translation", I think this is a post-modern thing, not a trans-human one. After all in a world of images, where death can only be surpassed by the image, one doesn't really care if one "individually" exists, a copy of oneself, an image which is just as real or more real, satisfies us... because we still "exist" (our image does, but in a world of images what more could you want?)
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Arenamontanus wrote:
As I write this I sit in a building far higher and cleaner than my ancestors could imagine, using a device that stores and modifies information on a faster and larger scale than people could imagine just a few years ago - and it is far cheaper than most pieces of furniture in the room. I am communicating across the world, using technology to maintain a social network that would simply be impossible without a digital exoself. Many of the top news stories today would not make sense to someone coming from 30 years back (both in content and why they are considered news). I travelled over 1400 kilometres to meet with my family, and it took just half a day and cost me about two days' salary. And so on. But all of this entirely ordinary.
Moments where people think like this are why I like people like Carl Sagan and Ayn Rand. I take pauses like this all the time when my mind has a moment to wander (on the bus or train, say) and they always make me smile. The enormity of human civilization is just as humbling to ponder as the enormity of the solar system or universe; each reminds us that we are, as Newton put it, children building sandcastles on the shore of the grandest ocean. I swear, I heard the synthetic tones of Vangelis in my mind typing that. How's that for a Pavlovian response?
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root@Transhumanism and Posthumanism [hr] Since I seem to have assigned myself the role of Dr. Döm'n'glüm'n I'll make the point of: so what? Sure, civilization is complicated, and people like to talk about how complicated our lives are, as if this complexity added anything. I give my nods to medical science and all the lovely amenities that I fill my life with, but so what? Nothing has changed the underlying economies of life, and until some critical moment when there is so much cheap energy that every other cost drops to nearly zero, I don't see human nature changing. I have a fancy electronic box that I use to send grids of charge patterns from my apartment in the icy midwest to any number of points on the globe, but I have the luxury of doing so because my immediate society has had the means to dump resources into training me to be eloquent and persuasive. Scale that back a few centuries and I could write: I have a fancy carved feather that allows me to scratch ink stains upon this fantastic parchment material, and in a few short months you will receive my plan for the Frankenstein monster! Would I feel blessed if I was living with the wicked advanced technology of the Renaissance? Hell no, I'd be super pissed off, but I'd still have it better off than the next civilization back, so shouldn't I still be feeling blessed?
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Arenamontanus Arenamontanus's picture
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root wrote:
I give my nods to medical science and all the lovely amenities that I fill my life with, but so what? Nothing has changed the underlying economies of life, and until some critical moment when there is so much cheap energy that every other cost drops to nearly zero, I don't see human nature changing.
Human nature is not changed much by material conditions. But even there there are big effects. Hunter gatherers need to be generalists, able to do most things their society can do. With agriculture you get specialization, and the idea that people are fundamentally different - some are peasants, some are nobles, some are priests - and these castes work and think differently. With industrialism you get a strong idea of progress and the future (things are going to be *different* when you get older, and you expect to get older - life is no longer short and random), as well as the concept that work does not define who you are (and that it can, if you are (un)lucky, be left to machines). In postindustrial society we are free creative agents who get to define who and what we are within broad limits. What really changes human nature is of course when we modify ourselves. Children are no longer born because people marry - we have separated love and marriage, love and sex, and sex and reproduction. Many look at themselves as biological or informational systems, and this becomes even more clear the more implants, sensors and exoselves we build. I think at least half of my friends and family take pharmaceuticals that modify their mental state - antidepressants, anti-panic medication, attention enhancers, memory enhancers, treatments against nicotine addiction... and that doesn't even count the use of illicit drugs among some of my more adventuresome friends. I know people who deliberately try to modify their bodies and minds to fit various aesthetic or ideological goals. No, we are not posthuman and hardly even transhuman. But I think we are changing the meaning of humanity by even seeing it as something that could be renegotiated.
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