I dont want to make a new topic, so I will ask my question here. It is about spending Aptitudes points. I was just thinking, that maybe the best option is to have all your aptitudes on 15 value. For example what about character who has skills from almost every aptitude? For example my char has (only actives here): COO- Infiltration, Kinectic Weapon, Spray Weapon INT- Investigation, Perception SAV- Deception, Intimidiation, Kinesics, Networkingx2, Persuasion SOM- Blades, Climbing, Monowire: Garotte, Freerunning, Unarmed Combat REF- Freefall, Fray COG- Infosec, Research WIL- none. I know that my char has most of skills in SAV and SOM. Ok. But he will use all of them. In Eclipse Phase making your char ONLY for your starting morph is little.....irresponsible (my opinion, dont scream :P ). Because you will not always be able to reborn in your starting morph model. And depending on your mission character, you will have to use many diffrent morphs. So if your aptitudes are all 15 (or at least one of them 20, one 10) you will always have some good bonuses from morph, and you will not have a big penalties if morph doesn't support some aptitude (and you had it on 10, because your starting morph had +10 bonus etc.). For example I gave my char COG 15, COO 15, REF 15, SAV 20, SOM 15, WIL 10. I have Ghost morph, so this configuration supports all my skills, as my character is very universal. But if I will have to upload myself to another morph (like sylphs, exatls, even olympias) I will still have good stats, with not big losses. Of course, it is for discussion, but this is my opinion about it. What is your opinion? :)

Veini-san wrote:

Ow, and another question to this above. Is WIL very important aptitude? How much and when you roll it? Thx

I find WIL to be pretty vital, largely because it decides your character's lucidity score. A high WIL means it takes a lot more stress to drive you to the mental breaking point, and you're less likely to pick up mental problems along the way. It's also the key aptitude for using most psi sleights. Take that for what you will.

babayaga wrote:

natural human limitation of 30 in any aptitude (save at most one "exceptional aptitude").

I think you mean 20. You can still look human in a basic transhuman splicer with its cap of 25, or more advanced transhuman morphs with their common cap of 30. Basic "flat" humans are capped at 20, which is still a very high number. Pushing to 40 does indeed transcend the human form. Look at the Neurode, for example.

babayaga wrote:

There's currently only three morphs that have an aptitude cap above 30: Remades, Reapers and Infomorphs. All three look distinctly "inhuman". One question that came up in our game is whether this is an intrinsic limitation that you'll get from any morph trying to exceed the natural human limitation of 30 in any aptitude (save at most one "exceptional aptitude"). In particular, one character in our game with some skills in biomorph design wanted to design a variation on the Remade skewed towards social and psychic abilities. A highly transgenic "Futura+", it would have the same "spread" of bonuses of the Remade, but distributed as +5 COG, +5 COO, +10 SAV, +10WIL, +5 to another attribute; it would retain the aptitude limit at 40; and it would lack the Uncanny Valley trait. I'm uncertain on whether to allow the Uncanny Valley trait to be removed. What do you think?

I don't think that the inhuman looks of the morphs you mentioned are necessarily a function of their stats, so much as a function of the aesthetics of their users. Reapers are combat shells; they're going to be manufactured to whatever specifications their creators think give them an edge in combat. Infomorphs are ... well, informorphs, as as such, could conceivably look like anything they wanted to. The Remade, IMO, look the way they do (and have the Uncanny Valley trait because of it), because their primary users, the Ultimates, have decided that function trumps form (much like with Reapers, in fact). They have no hair, for example, because hair was an evolutionary trait designed to keep early humans warm, and with the invention of clothing, it's no longer necessary. They have smaller teeth, because now that Transhumanity lives in space, and doesn't do a whole lot of cattle ranching, most of the food they eat is preprocessed and nano-assembled, and doesn't require large teeth to tear through. And I assume that if you cut one open, he wouldn't have any tonsils or appendix, either. These little things represent lines of genetic code that they figure are no longer needed, and so they cut them out (or modify them extensively) for simplicity's sake. The state of genetic manipulation in the setting is such that, if someone in a Remade shell wanted body hair, he could probably have someone write it back in. It's just that he probably chose that shell because he doesn't care about those sorts of things. All that being said, I'm not 100% sure that the Unfit negative trait is the way I'd go personally. Ratcheting up the point cost is always an option, as someone before me has mentioned. Were I in your place, I'd probably either say "Uncanny Valley stays in, simply because the morph designers don't care what it looks like, as long as it works at peak efficiency," or consider replacing Uncanny Valley with the Fast Metabolism and Planned Obsolecense traits from Sunward; the obsolecense in this case might not be planned, but rather a side effect of trying to design a morph that's prebuilt to use asynch powers (you might also consider the first or second level of Modified Behavior; Exsurgent infection has some unpredictable effects on a person, even Watts-Macleod, and modifying a base human brain to play nice with it may require locking down certain behaviors or emotions...).

I've talked to my GM about a very similar situation to this; I started a game with a Lost Ultimate that has a clone of their Futura that they are 'upgrading' throughout gameplay to eventually be a Remade-Futura that has been referenced as a Futura Mark II. The Uncanny Valley seems to make sense as far as it being a Remade... we've viewed it as 'if everything has been optimized for an Ultimate, than it wouldn't look quite right'. It's not any single thing that gives it Uncanny Valley, it is everything being changed and viewed as a package. I suppose the later mentioned Unfit would be a good way to say 'it isn't really a Remade, it is just really good at some things' but then I think you hit the spirit of the 'only once' purchasing of Exceptional Aptitude. The easiest way to deal with it might be to take a Futura and ask the GM if Exceptional Aptitude may be taken more than once with some good IC explanation and time spent on it. A Remade is a Remade for a reason... although I fully understand how a modified Remade is a more appealing expenditure of points than taking Exceptional Aptitude more than once and then still needing to buy the stats up. Maybe you could check out some of those custom morph building rules and hash out something that works for GM and player... I may go try that now.