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EP Core Rulebook Errata

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TheRawrnstuff TheRawrnstuff's picture
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Not neccessarily, since it's cyberbrain automatically hosts those. Just saying. It would be like telling a customer that a computer has a built-in calculator app. But it all does boil down to the preferences, though.
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Page 85 - Project Ozma Insert: "Standard SOP if you run counter to a Project Ozma op is to bail out fast and stay hands off. We’ve lost dozens of agents to them already." SOP most commonly stands for "Standard Operating Procedure" The first "Standard" is redundant. Unless you're using an alternate meaning for SOP then its best you spell it out. Which may require a grammatical reworking of the sentence. Such as follows: "If you run counter to a Project Ozma op SOP is to bail out fast and stay hands off. We’ve lost dozens of agents to them already."
Brainworm Brainworm's picture
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at page 327 it says that the "Healing Vat" costs are "[high]" but at page 345 it says that the "Dr. Bot" is carrying a Healing Vat and the costs for the "Dr. Bot" are only "[moderate]".
fnord3125 fnord3125's picture
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It's possible that I missed it, but I don't believe the character generation rules ever clearly state when modifiers from Background and Faction are applied to skills. Based on an example in the text I'm assuming that, like Morph modifiers, they are applied after all CPs are spent. Is that correct?
fnord3125 fnord3125's picture
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Oh, also, a rather annoying layout screwup that I don't think anyone has pointed out yet: The entire "Mind Hacks" chapter still has the "Action and Combat" bar highlighted in the sidebar.
Abschalten Abschalten's picture
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Page 311. - Pneumatic Limbs. The entire book consistantly uses SI units for measurements, but in this one it refers to the limbs being able to generate "1,500 pounds of thrust." Later on in the same description it talks about how high up transhumans can jump with them (2 meters). To be consistant the 1500 lbs-force of thrust needs to be converted over into Newtons (6672 Newtons, or you could round to 6500N or 7000N.)
Decivre Decivre's picture
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The thermobaric grenade is a uniform blast weapon, but does not list a uniform blast radius in its description or chart writeup. Also, there should probably be a clarification on the purchase of items with a cost higher than Expensive (such as when it says Expensive 30000+) during character creation. Usually you use the average cost, but what is the average cost of something when its minimum is higher than that?
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JimJim JimJim's picture
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Just downloaded the updated core book... D'oh! The sniper rifle fire rate has been adjusted in the chart on page 336, but it's now at odds with the description on the previous page, which still has the old rates of fire.
Meldaran Meldaran's picture
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Hi, Just got the PDF a few days back and reading through it, loving it (completely mind blown, actually :D). Here is some stuff I've noticed (not all of them errata, I suppose, but here goes...) : p. 301, first column, BIOWARE section, duplicate sentence : "Bioware may be used to enhance biomorphs (including pods and uplifts), but not synthmorphs. Bioware may be used to enhance biomorphs (including pods and uplifts), but not synthmorphs (see Synthmorphs and Bioware, p. 306)." - I guess an errata was supplied but the original sentence not removed. p. 318, second column, COMBAT DRUGS section, layout : there is no "interline" (replace with appropriate word here) between "COMBAT DRUGS" and the previous section. It should be on the next column, in order to stay in style with the rest of the book. p. 321, second column, PETALS section, layout : same as previous errata for "PETALS". p. 324, second column, PSI DRUGS section, layout : same as previous errata for "PSI DRUGS". p. 329, second column, PETS section, layout : same as previous errata for "PETS". I'll wait for a corrected printing before I get the DT book (a *third* one ? :/), but I'm really really impressed by this RPG. Keep up the fantastic work. Cheers, Mel.
AdamJury AdamJury's picture
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Meldaran wrote:
I'll wait for a corrected printing before I get the DT book (a *third* one ? :/), but I'm really really impressed by this RPG.
Everything you listed will be fixed in the 2nd printing. Thanks for taking the time to report it -- I had caught some of it when doing my very last pre-press pass, but not all of it, so I'll slip the corrected pages in at the last minute. :-)
Meldaran Meldaran's picture
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More stuff I found: p.73, second column, SOMATEK section, 2 typos : change "pioneering several major brea throughs in cognitive enhancement and genetic modifi cation" (sic) to "pioneering several major breakthroughs in cognitive enhancement and genetic modification". "brea through" instead of breakthrough. And notice the space between "modifi" and "cation". I've seen this kind of space introduction throughout the text when copy/pasting some sections. p.79, first column, TITANIAN COMMONWEALTH, consistency : swap the "Main Stations" line with the "Memes" line for consistency with all the other entries where "Memes" is first. p.83, second column, NINE LIVES section, consistency : Either change "Major Station" to "Major Stations" for consistency with the other faction entries (since the one for NIGHT CARTEL also only has one single station but has "Major Station" plural), or change all the other factions with a single station to "Major/Main Station" singular. :) p.131, second column, Disadvantages of the HYPERELITE section, typo : open windows notepad and copy/paste the following sentence from the PDF: "May not start with flat, splicer, or any pod, uplift, or synthetic morphs". "flat" will appear as "fl at" (sic). I've seen more of this kind of text typo and the bad thing about this is that when doing full text searches in the PDF, you may not get those words. I'll see if maybe doing a full copy/paste of the entire document text and going through a spelling checker may help find the others... Hope this helps. Mel.
Scottbert Scottbert's picture
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Chameleon Cloaks are cost (Low). Chameleon Coating adds the same effect to armor for (Trivial). So you can get armored clothing with chameleon coating super-cheap!
Decivre Decivre's picture
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Neurachem level 2 does not list a maximum duration you can have it running through your system, and that's probably important considering how it works.
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Andinel Andinel's picture
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Now that there's a second printing PDF, will we be seeing a revision to the character sheet on the Resources page? The one up there still has DUR ÷ 10 for DB instead of SOM ÷ 10.
RobBoyle RobBoyle's picture
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Ah, good call, I'll get Adam on that as soon as he gets back from vacation.

Rob Boyle :: Posthuman Studios

Meldaran Meldaran's picture
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Meldaran wrote:
p.131, second column, Disadvantages of the HYPERELITE section, typo : open windows notepad and copy/paste the following sentence from the PDF: "May not start with flat, splicer, or any pod, uplift, or synthetic morphs". "flat" will appear as "fl at" (sic). I've seen more of this kind of text typo and the bad thing about this is that when doing full text searches in the PDF, you may not get those words. I'll see if maybe doing a full copy/paste of the entire document text and going through a spelling checker may help find the others...
Well I've done that and indeed there are quite a few occurences of that in there. Could it be some steganography ? ^^ Take a random page, say p.323, copy/paste the text to a file and you'll find quite a few: "Liquid thermite [color=#FF0000][b]infl icts[/b][/color] 3d10 + 5 DV per Action turn to whatever it is touching." "Armor will protect against this acid at [color=#FF0000][b]fi rst[/b][/color], but the acid will eat through the armor, so that it will no longer protect after its full armor value has been reached." "This liquid is colorless at normal light but becomes recognizable under [color=#FF0000][b]pre-specifi ed[/b][/color] different wavelengths (such as infrared or ultraviolet)." "Getting the sweets usually requires [color=#FF0000][b]fulfi lling[/b][/color] certain conditions within the trip, such as correctly answering questions or [color=#FF0000][b]fulfi lling[/b][/color] goals." "The target suffers a –20 [color=#FF0000][b]modifi er[/b][/color] on other actions while dancing, but the dancing may be overridden with a WIL x 3 Test." "These inputs are spliced together, their emotional inputs [color=#FF0000][b]amplifi ed[/b][/color], and then the entire package is spiked with some hormonal circuit triggers and [color=#FF0000][b]artifi cial[/b][/color] synaesthesia." "Linkstate users are catatonic while under the effects (typical sessions run 3-4 hours), but afterwards they often report that they have [color=#FF0000][b]fl ashbacks[/b][/color] of events in other people’s lives." Am I the only one getting this or is my computer unexplainedly screwed up ^^ ? I mean it's not a problem when you're reading the PDF file of course, but if you're using text search in the PDF, and happen to be looking for a word that's split, it won't show up. Mel.
Decivre Decivre's picture
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Meldaran wrote:
Am I the only one getting this or is my computer unexplainedly screwed up ^^ ? I mean it's not a problem when you're reading the PDF file of course, but if you're using text search in the PDF, and happen to be looking for a word that's split, it won't show up. Mel.
These might be artifacts of the PDF publishing process. I've had it happen when I made a PDF before, despite the fact that I didn't type it like that. I have no clue why this happens, and I doubt they are any better off.
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Decivre Decivre's picture
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A major epiphany just hit me, and it does require errata: AIs don't have language skills! I know they are capable of speaking to their owners (well, at least muses are), so I think that they should be given at least one language by default (likely at 90, eh?). Or is it something that a muse has to take as one of its three free knowledge skills?
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Andinel Andinel's picture
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Something that was mentioned earlier that I don't think was noticed: the 2nd printing PDF still has pods as a banned starting morph for characters with the Hyperelite background, but one of the sample characters (the Socialite Escort) is sleeved in a Pleasure Pod morph, and does have the Hyperelite background.
AdamJury AdamJury's picture
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Decivre wrote:
These might be artifacts of the PDF publishing process. I've had it happen when I made a PDF before, despite the fact that I didn't type it like that. I have no clue why this happens, and I doubt they are any better off.
They're due to ligatures -- two characters joined together to look awesome. They get exported as a single character in the PDF file; no way around that without turning off all ligatures.
kindalas kindalas's picture
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In the Battery description on pages 336 under railguns it says that batteries recharge at 20 points per hour and hold 200 shots. And then on 338 under beam weapons it says that batteries are good for a different amounts of shots depending on the weapon but that they can be recharged at a rate of 20 shots per hour. Should it be changed to reflect that the batteries recharge at 10% of their capacity per hour. Otherwise it takes 10 hours to charge up a battery to be used in a Stunner but only half an hour to charge a battery for a Plasma Rifle.
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Decivre Decivre's picture
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kindalas wrote:
In the Battery description on pages 336 under railguns it says that batteries recharge at 20 points per hour and hold 200 shots. And then on 338 under beam weapons it says that batteries are good for a different amounts of shots depending on the weapon but that they can be recharged at a rate of 20 shots per hour. Should it be changed to reflect that the batteries recharge at 10% of their capacity per hour. Otherwise it takes 10 hours to charge up a battery to be used in a Stunner but only half an hour to charge a battery for a Plasma Rifle.
Plus it gets more confusing for a weapon like the Microwave Agonizer. It has 100 shots if in nonlethal mode, and 50 shots in lethal mode... so does it take 2½ or 5 hours to finish charging?
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Decivre Decivre's picture
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Here's everything that probably needs major errata, that I know of, in one big list: [list][*]No information on the average cost of items above Expensive (Expensive 20,000+ or more, for example). [*]More on that thought, no info on how to upgrade a cost beyond expensive (such as when purchasing the blueprints for an expensive item) [*]No duration for Neurachem. Apparently we also need clarification on whether level 2 can work as level 1, as some people argue it. [*]This one might have been mentioned before, but the poison gland needs similar errata to the drug gland. You might also want to detail whether poison glands can use drugs or other chemicals besides toxins. [*]Implanted nanotoxins also require errata like the drug gland. [*]Currently, the light and full helmet have the same cost. That probably isn't accurate. [*]The chameleon coating armor mod costs less than a dedicated chameleon cloak. [*]AIs do not have listed language skills. [*]Recharging weapon batteries needs to be clarified. [*]Thermobaric grenade does not list its uniform blast radius.[/list]
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nick012000 nick012000's picture
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By the way, you guys might want to take a look at your Errata PDFs, since the numbers aren't displaying on my computer; I just get a blank space where they should be. I'm using the Adobe Reader 8.2.0.81 plugin for IE, if it helps.

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browwiw browwiw's picture
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And maybe some printer friendly versions of the .pdfs. The art design on the .pdfs is absolutely beautiful, but they are brutal on printer cartridges.

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Andinel Andinel's picture
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A note with charging: the book says
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An opponent who runs and attacks an opponent in melee combat in the same Action Phase is considered to be charging. A charging attacker still suffers the –10 modifier for running, but they receive a damage bonus on account of their momentum: increase the damage they inflict by +1d10.
The table has the modifier for running at –20. Is it reduced to –10 for the charge?
Decivre Decivre's picture
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browwiw wrote:
And maybe some printer friendly versions of the .pdfs. The art design on the .pdfs is absolutely beautiful, but they are brutal on printer cartridges.
What might be better is if they layer the books like they did with the character sheet... putting the art and background on one layer that can be disabled.
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nielsk nielsk's picture
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On page 81 Mahogany is listed as a space station/habitat on Uranus (under the faction Mercurial). On page 109 Mahogany is listed as a habitat on Neptune.
Decivre Decivre's picture
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Here are some things that might need errata in armor issues: [list][*]Second skin and smart skin currently stack with one another, and I don't know if that is how they were intended. Perhaps you should clarify that to "may be worn with other armor without penalty, but cannot be worn with other armors that have the same ability". [*]Exoskeletons (especially the battle suit) is not very clear on how its armor should be treated. I think it would be best if you clarified it with "wearing an exoskeleton counts as wearing a layer of armor", and replacing the battle suits inability to be cumulative with other armor with "cannot be used with any armor that would cause a penalty for layering" instead. A battle suit pilot should be able to wear second skin or smart skin, and it's already mentioned that battle suit users wear helmets... but this writing implies that they can do neither. [*]Robotic armor gets pretty ridiculous. You could potentially get them and combine them with other armor, which can render someone nearly indestructible. You may wish to tack on at least a certain degree of penalties, such as treating them as a layer of armor for the purpose of armor penalties (at least enhanced armor). Perhaps instead reducing the penalty for a synthmorph wearing armor while still penalizing them (-10 instead of -20 if they are wearing a single extra layer and don't have an armor enhancement, followed by a -20 penalty for every layer after that). Or, as my personal favorite idea, synthmorph armor is penalized in tiers (only synthmorphs with 4/4 or less built-in armor can wear armor without penalty, up to 8/8 with a -10 penalty).
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Byzantine Laser Byzantine Laser's picture
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Looking at the second printing. Page 360, 'What Help Can a Sentinel Expect?' sidebar: 'lesson' should be 'lessen.' It should also probably say 'Any Firewall operative' or something instead of 'Any Firewall killed in the line of duty...'
thephlapbadhu thephlapbadhu's picture
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Hi rpg shops in the UK have recently got another bacth of the EP core rulebook in stock- is this the revised version or the same as the original print?
AdamJury AdamJury's picture
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thephlapbadhu wrote:
rpg shops in the UK have recently got another bacth of the EP core rulebook in stock- is this the revised version or the same as the original print?
It's the same as the first printing in every way. Please see this post for more details: http://eclipsephase.com/eclipse-phase-reprint-shipping
OneTrikPony OneTrikPony's picture
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Abschalten wrote:
Page 311. - Pneumatic Limbs. The entire book consistantly uses SI units for measurements, but in this one it refers to the limbs being able to generate "1,500 pounds of thrust." Later on in the same description it talks about how high up transhumans can jump with them (2 meters). To be consistant the 1500 lbs-force of thrust needs to be converted over into Newtons (6672 Newtons, or you could round to 6500N or 7000N.)
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Valyar Valyar's picture
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Sorry if the question is dumb, but is the second printing actually printed and available in the stores?
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CodeBreaker CodeBreaker's picture
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Because Adam and Co. have not said otherwise, I doubt it. Any printed EP Core book you can get your hands on right now is a First Print, not errata'd. Still worth it though, I suggest post-it notes for any Game Information errata.
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AdamJury AdamJury's picture
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Valyar wrote:
Sorry if the question is dumb, but is the second printing actually printed and available in the stores?
With regards to print versions of the rulebook, we are still in stock of the print run described here: http://eclipsephase.com/eclipse-phase-reprint-shipping
Andinel Andinel's picture
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Just wondering, is "epsilon fork" under Darkly Selving on p.322 a misprint or is it actually intended to be another category of fork?
RobBoyle RobBoyle's picture
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No, that is probably supposed to be delta fork.

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Meldaran Meldaran's picture
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CodeBreaker wrote:
I suggest post-it notes for any Game Information errata.
I just write on the book itself but I hear some people wince about that kind of stuff *grin*
CodeBreaker CodeBreaker's picture
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Meldaran wrote:
CodeBreaker wrote:
I suggest post-it notes for any Game Information errata.
I just write on the book itself but I hear some people wince about that kind of stuff *grin*
*twitch* Due to living on the fairly damp lowlands of Scotland any D&D books I get delivered to me via the Royal Mail Service tend to get a little bit water damaged on there way. Not enough to warrant sending them back but just enough to drive me insane thinking about it. If someone actually took a pen to one of them I might just have a minor breakdown :D
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panda00x panda00x's picture
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Sense Skill (pg 184) sends you to Psi (pg 220) for description of what it does; only reference to Sense skill on page 220 sends you to page 184 for a description of the skill, creating something like an idiot trap. Sense entry in index does not include page reference for the slight that refers to this skill by name, Ego Sense (pg 226). Index and Sense skill should probably have pointers to the Ego Sense slight.
RobBoyle RobBoyle's picture
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@panda00x -- When we reference a header, such as Psi on p. 220, we are usually referencing the entire section that falls under that header. Sometimes that section is just one paragraph. In the case of a #2 header like Psi, the section extends from p. 220 to 229. We reference the entire section because the skills are discussed at several points in that section and there's no one single part of that section that encompasses it. Also, Sense skill is used for sleights other than Ego Sense. See for example Deep Scan and Empathic Scan, among other psi-gamma sleights.

Rob Boyle :: Posthuman Studios

RobBoyle RobBoyle's picture
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Hey everyone -- we're looking at taking the core rulebook in for the third printing soon. This will be the first printing entirely under Posthuman Studio's aegis -- so we want to make it as error-free as possible. To that end, we're renewing our call-out for errata. Please take a fresh look at the core book over the rest of the month of December and post any typos, mistakes, rules issues, wrong (or missing) page references, etc. here. We'll be collecting everything at the end of the month and assembling an updated errata list. Thanks!

Rob Boyle :: Posthuman Studios

Meldaran Meldaran's picture
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I suppose you mean errata for the latest PDF of the core rules, right ? A few months back, I tried to check every errata in this post against the PDF to see which had been taken into account, and which hadn't (I hate the idea that some errata could get lost somehow)... I never finished... I wish there was a web based errata tracking tool, so that we could check every single errata we find against it... This way we could know what's already been taken into account, and it'd be easy to see what's already been submitted (for instance, get every errata submitted, sorted by page number etc.)... I'm pretty sure an open source bug tracking tool could be used for that... Or maybe you guys already have that inhouse... Mel.
CodeBreaker CodeBreaker's picture
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http://eclipsephase.com/downloads/eclipsephase_errata_all_1.0.pdf I am fairly sure that that is the latest compiled errata. Could just go through that and note which haven't been applied.
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Skywise Skywise's picture
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Not overly important, but the movie referred to in the References section is called "Gattaca", not "Gattica" :-)
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nielsk nielsk's picture
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Using a bugtracker for errata, that would be cool
nezumi.hebereke nezumi.hebereke's picture
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A recommendation for change - p.255, active monitoring test begins BEFORE the intruder penetrates the firewall (more accurately representing actual security practices, and making firewalls useful as a defensive measure).
RobBoyle RobBoyle's picture
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Meldaran wrote:
I suppose you mean errata for the latest PDF of the core rules, right ?
Yes, the best method is to use the most recent updated PDF. If you are using an older PDF or any hardcopy, please check the errata list (http://eclipsephase.com/downloads/eclipsephase_errata_all_1.0.pdf) first.
Meldaran wrote:
A few months back, I tried to check every errata in this post against the PDF to see which had been taken into account, and which hadn't (I hate the idea that some errata could get lost somehow)... I never finished...
Not everything posted in this thread is actually errata -- sometimes people are mistaken, or they misread something, or it's a matter of opinion and not something we feel is necessary to change. We do go through and look at everything, however.
Meldaran wrote:
I wish there was a web based errata tracking tool, so that we could check every single errata we find against it... This way we could know what's already been taken into account, and it'd be easy to see what's already been submitted (for instance, get every errata submitted, sorted by page number etc.)...
Here, I set up a Google Doc so that you can collaborate and share your notes: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1HOAxLWltvpAsa7IMzEE7igdWXtd8us5RM8Wl...

Rob Boyle :: Posthuman Studios

The Doctor The Doctor's picture
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nielsk wrote:
Using a bugtracker for errata, that would be cool
Now that is an excellent idea.

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