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some science help with visuals

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OneTrikPony OneTrikPony's picture
some science help with visuals
I'm trying to draw a picture of a character firing a rail-rifle and it's just not turning out cool enough. for one reason, you don't 'fire' a rail-rifle. It's not a firearm its an electromagnetic-arm so i can't put flames and smoke at the end of the 'not-barrel' Caseless ammo is bad enough, I can't draw casings flying through the air but now not being able to draw exhaust gasses is frustrating. For such a cool sounding weapon railguns are visually anticlimactic. So some basic questions about rail-rifles. first; do they even need a barrel? my understanding is that you've got sequentially charged magnets along the acceleration path accelerating a ferrous slug, would a barrel be necessary? Would it be a detriment because you've got the friction of a ferrous slug in a ferrous barrel in the presence of a huge magnetic field? Wouldn't there be a pretty strong possibility that the slug would weld itself to the barrel? If you didn't need a barrel how do you impart spin stabilization to the slug in the way that rifling does? Would the magnets still work if they were in a helix shape? Obviously the slug could be a finned 'dart' but I can think of several technical problems with that, one being the increased size of the slug. How hot do the magnets get? Is it possible that they'd get hot enough to glow in the visual spectrum? Or would it be the case that because they'd have to be super conductors that they wouldn't get hot at all? Might there be some cross arching between magnets when the weapon is fired that would give me a reason to draw a cool lightning effect? Can you think of any realistic visual effects that would action to my rail-rifle picture? Thanks if you can help.

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Rhyx Rhyx's picture
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"i can't put flames and smoke at the end of the 'not-barrel'"
Patently untrue my good friend :D : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b_OjZyQ6LGE If anything that shot is even MORE impressive than a regular shot. If I understand that bullet (shell, whatever..) is going so fast that it is igniting the air around it by pure friction. I'm pretty sure a railgun needs to be enclosed just to keep stray dust, gusts of wind or anything else that could interfere with a well balanced magnetic field. Any unbalance and that bullet will be coming out the side of your gun transferring all that kinetic energy to the gun itself (and your hands). If you want the gun to make a lightshow, no problem many guns probably would have a way of converting that heat into light in order to cool off the coils faster. The only problem is for spec ops and night ops, you want minimum muzzle flare which according to the video would be really hard to do and I'm guessing is why everyone doesn't just use railguns.
CodeBreaker CodeBreaker's picture
Re: some science help with visuals
It has been a while since I have really read up on Railguns, but I am fairly sure what you are describing is closer to a Coilgun is it not? With Railguns you use two parallel, oppositely charged rails and push a massive current through them which interacts with the projectile and the magnetic forces involved to push the projectile perpendicular to the rails. And unless EP Railguns are using some extremely (which they probably are) advanced super conductors I think you would get a feck load of heat being pushed off the rails, which has to be dumped somewhere. So you might have a nice, big shiny and glowy heat sink somewhere. I am also fairly sure that, due to the velocities involved, as the projectile leaves the barrel of the railgun it might leave a plume of plasma in its wake. If not there would still be some serious air disturbance.
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OneTrikPony OneTrikPony's picture
Re: some science help with visuals
Rhyx wrote:
If I understand that bullet (shell, whatever..) is going so fast that it is igniting the air around it by pure friction.
SWWWWEEET!! That was so fucking cool I got halfahardon! I am absolutely going to try drawing that. Thanks for the Replys Rhyx and Codebreaker. :D +@rep to you both I never knew that railguns pushed the projectile perpendicular to the rails. Now I'm thinking about some weird reverse crossbow looking thing. But for what ever EP is calling "Railgun" I'm going to take some artistic license and say that the easiest way to keep the barrel unobstructed is to eliminate the barrel so I can have hot glowey magnets in a two or three prong configuration with a little plasma trail following the projectile.

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Arenamontanus Arenamontanus's picture
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From my reading of the literature, railguns tend to produce quite a lightshow since the projectile both abrades the rails, producing a lot of ignited metal, and there are plasma discharges through ionized air. The holy grail for current railgun designers is to make one without a lightshow, or at least one that doesn't destroy the weapon in a few firings. Since a fraction of the energy is deposited as heat in the projectile, it will tend to be quite hot too. And produce a supersonic shockwave. Not sure about barrels in normal guns, but in a railgun you want the longest accelerator chamber you can get. So instead of a barrel you have a long chamber. While rotation might stabilize flight at low velocities, at 10 km/s there is likely not time for much misbehaviour.
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Quincey Forder Quincey Forder's picture
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That stuff about ejecting hyper hot coils kinda remind me of the cooling coils used in Mass Effect's weapon, to absorb the heat of the barrels to keep them functional, and when it absorbs too much heat, it's ejected and replaced (gotta love the way Shepard use it in Zaeed's Vengeance mission, when played Renegade)
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