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Simulspace Universe
root@Simulspace Universe [hr] There are millions, if not billions, of infugees kept in cold storage after the Fall. Some altruistic groups work to find morphs for each and every mind, but the expense of resleeving infugees is very high. Since the expense is so high, it cannot be justified in the face of other existential needs, so most infugees stay in cold storage unless they have something special to offer transhumanity. Since not every infugee can be resleeved into a morph, it seems like it would be morally justifiable to stop trying to sleeve them, and start waking them up in simulspaces and telling them that they have been resleeved. On a long enough time scale, some of the infugees will figure out the deception, but for the most part the Matrix solution would work. One could even argue that this sort of deception is a moral imperative. When considering a moral imperative, the question must be asked "What if everyone did this? Would I want to live in that society?" In this case, the alternative is either cold storage, or an existential angst from knowing your reality is an illusion. With those as alternatives, I would argue that the answer is yes, deception is preferred. Therefore, deceiving infugees into thinking the simulspaces they live in are the "real world" is a moral imperative until transumanity has the resources to sleeve everyone in a new morph. From an in-game point of view, this is a way to introduce settings and plots that otherwise would not make any sense (arguably, psionic powers and Pandora Gates mean that the normal setting is a simulspace), or are contradicted by some aspect of the setting. Even if they players aren't interested in being in a fully simulspace game, the Holodeck Malfunction is a standard trope for a session or two. In fact, it works better in Eclipse Phase, because your infomorphs aren't restricted to the holodeck, so there isn't a safety net if things start to spin out of control.
    "Did you hear? Jack the Ripper is back! Some jackass was playing detective in a simulspace, and somehow the Jack the Ripper subroutine ended up inside a Futura morph and it got off the station before thermonuclear containment could be deployed! This is so awesome! The Ultimates Predator League is offering a fat stack of rep as a prize for the first transhuman to capture Jack's stack!"
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Arenamontanus Arenamontanus's picture
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I'm not so sure it would work. Mrs Brown gets "resleeved" and immediately contacts her husband on Mars to meet up. Kids who have grown up with simspaces are *really good* at figuring out what is fake or not. The cheapskate guy who wants to trade in his nice morph for a case so he can get cash he wants to invest in stocks. The amateur astronomer who starts doing amateur astronomy that requires absurdly expensive simulation access ("Why did the computer link to the University of Mars solar simulator? It is downloading exabytes of plasma dynamics?!") The solution has no doubt been tried a bunch of times, with bad results. What do you do when you have a thousand angry infomorphs who sue you in a class action suit for fraud? Or worse, point out that by the constitution of your anarchist commune they have a right to participate in decisionmaking and the distribution of scarce resources like bodies. That said, bad solutions and ideas are *fun*. The simspace "ghettos" where infomorphs are kept (in more or less profound ignorance) can be a pretty interesting environment. And not a few infugees might actually want to pretend everything is all right and normal. An adventure might take the sentinels to Heartland America, a simspace where people live in midwestern suburbia. The sentinels want to find a person who knew some key players "before they got famous" during the Fall, but the person doesn't want to think about anything but the mayoral election, how his baseball team are doing and make sure his (simulated) kids are safe.
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root@Simulspace Universe [hr]
Arenamontanus wrote:
That said, bad solutions and ideas are *fun*. The simspace "ghettos" where infomorphs are kept (in more or less profound ignorance) can be a pretty interesting environment. And not a few infugees might actually want to pretend everything is all right and normal. An adventure might take the sentinels to Heartland America, a simspace where people live in midwestern suburbia. The sentinels want to find a person who knew some key players "before they got famous" during the Fall, but the person doesn't want to think about anything but the mayoral election, how his baseball team are doing and make sure his (simulated) kids are safe.
Yea, it probably wouldn't work if any of the residents looked too closely. But, as you say, bad solutions and ideas are fun, and nothing makes a bad idea more fun than trying to fix bad ideas on the fly with even worse ideas. Did all of the simulspace infugees (simfugees?) figure out they were living in the Matrix because they overloaded the modeling software? Reduce the level of technology they have to work with because "TITANs infected all the tech, so we are Luddites now". Did they figure it out by examining the clues in their environment and seeing how it doesn't all add up? Introduce a psychosurgery behavioral modification inhibiting questioning reality. Did that fail because people worked out a way to think around a hard coded block? Add another psychosurgery behavioral modification promoting social conditioning away from questioning reality. Did someone in your clave point out that by now what is being done to simfugees is horrifically illegal and immoral? Throw that idiot into the simulspace with heavily edited memories. Watching the process spiral out of control with bad patchwork solutions would be entertaining, and a great reason to inject a sentinal team into the mess. The sentinels could be sent in to a rapidly deteriorating simulspace reality to locate and liberate a simfugee target in the "American midwest" before the internal contradictions in the simulpace cause it to crash and damage all of the connected minds. They have a time limit that gets shorter with every action they take that violates the internal physics and social structures of the system, but they have too little information to find their target. They start out with the datam that their target is somewhere in the midwest, but their spacial resolution gives them a whole timezone to work with.
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Sepherim Sepherim's picture
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I actually think that is a great hook for a game. Something in between Matrix and Level 13.
Arenamontanus Arenamontanus's picture
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Great idea! Love the idea of how paradoxes contribute to the decay. I can also see this kind of simspace as a somewhat immoral way for memetics-oriented hypercorps or anarchists trying to find better ways of doing social engineering. Just what is necessary for making a sufficiently stable, yet dynamic society? So they are experimenting on their dollhouse world, increasingly desperate to both stabilize it and to get something marketable.
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root@Simulspace Universe [hr]
Arenamontanus wrote:
I can also see this kind of simspace as a somewhat immoral way for memetics-oriented hypercorps or anarchists trying to find better ways of doing social engineering.
"Immoral? No way! If we weren't so generous as to give these infugees a simulspace to run in, do you think anyone would ever give them a morph? The cream of the infugee crop got pulled out of cold storage early, these people have nothing to offer except in groups like this. We should receive a reward for being so moral and good hearted. Yes, there is the occasional ontological disaster, but that's more than statistically balanced by the quality of life we give them!"
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Quincey Forder Quincey Forder's picture
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Sepherim wrote:
I actually think that is a great hook for a game. Something in between Matrix and Level 13.
With some Mage the Ascension in it! funny thing, something like that is gonna happen in my Paradigm Shift work-in-progress fanfic, with a twist. back to your idea, though, the very fact the Sentinels are in the system causes system decay as if the "Guf" folder is filled to capacity and cracking up. it's judgement day! (the Guf is, in the jewish mythos, where the souls come from, and when it's empty, it means the end of time has come. it's kinda ironic that a Guf folder would be instead filled up to capacity and couldn't one more and thus cause a simulspace to crash, and so cause "the end of the world" in that peculiar sim)
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nezumi.hebereke nezumi.hebereke's picture
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I did this in reverse. I've been running a game for my wife (prior to EP, it started in 1890 and extended until around 2080). I had to explain how the Mars base she had helped found dealt with the Fall, without it interfering with the setting (too much). The facility was run under one of the first AGIs, and had a backup version of herself. When the Fall came, the AGI staged an exusrgent attack and nuclear detonation, basically sealing off the base (in preparation for the anti-matter carpet bombing that would likely follow). He uploaded all of the crew members into his data core, buried a few miles below the surface, where he ran his server farms with enough uranium to last him for a few centuries. Now the entire crew of the Mars base is run in simulspace, at a slower relative speed so he can wait out all this political silliness over his head. He basically made a paradise in his servers for everyone, and even made algorithms for reproduction. When the PC visited, she found her old backup, married to the AGI, caring for a dozen grandchildren. Because of 'family concerns' she didn't stick around long enough for me to make much of a plot out of it - except when the AGI made a stripped-down version of himself, effectively himself pre-Fall, to accompany the PC.