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Why Asyncs?

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Zen Shooter Zen Shooter's picture
Why Asyncs?
Asyncs don't seem like a very good character option. You have to pay for the trait, you have to pay for the sleights, which are of limited usefulness and in many cases cause you damage when you use them, you have to buy skills that govern gamma sleights, you lose a point of Trauma Threshold, you gain a mental disorder, you suffer from morph fever, you're more susceptible to the exsurgent virus, and you're hunted and feared across the solar system. Where's the upside?
OneTrikPony OneTrikPony's picture
Re: Why Asyncs?
The upside is role playing a compelling character. You get to deal with all of those problems in a rich setting. You get to have mysterious abilities that (almost) no one else has and no one really understands. when you lose your morph or ego cast or upgrade your morph you get to take those abilites with you. And from a purely munchkin min/max perspective, you can come out ahead on cp points by buying the right slights.

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Rhyx Rhyx's picture
Re: Why Asyncs?
As they are now Asynchs are meh, probably because they are the victims or a tug o war between the designers about how they should be implemented. Those disputed creatures from a design viewpoint always become lame ducks out of compromise to make them acceptable to the parties that were not so hot about the idea. (You can even see very divided opinions about them on this board. You can spot hard Sci-fi proponents by how their teeth kinda grind against one another at the mention of Asynchs :D) The main point of Asynch is that they can "hack" a human brain in a similar way as a guy with infosec can "hack" a cyber brain. They are kind of like incomplete exsurgents that don't have the bad habit of causing self destruction. Before putting the verdict out on asychs I would wait a few supplements.
CodeBreaker CodeBreaker's picture
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The upside comes from being able to pick up some very useful abilities. Cog Boost is one of only two ways to get a +5 to COG in the game. Multitasking is the one of the only (the only?) way to get a forth Complex Action in each Action Phase. Instinct makes all Mental Task action skills super fast, and brings many other actions (such as brute force hacking) down far enough to almost get a -100% time frame without a negative modifier. Grok lets an async understand *any* device/object/vehicle just by looking at it. Enhanced Creativity is quite a nice way of getting a modifier to rolls such as programming or artistic stuff. Predicitive Boost makes an async that little bit faster, and harder to hit. And that is just the Psi-Chi stuff. Combine that with the ability to read peoples thoughts, melt peoples brains with a touch, and turning themselves into a social butterfly of epic proportions and you have quite a few reasons to pick up Psi. On the disadvantages- Sleights are expensive at first, but they go where you go, so no worrying about having to find a Morph with the implants you want. The mental disorder is easy as hell to get rid of, a month of Psychosurgery and it is gone. The Exsurgent virus is already virulent as hell, if you didn't pump Moxie you are almost certainly going to be infected as it is. The counter? If you are a Psi user, pump Moxie. You nulify the -20 modifier you suffer because of your Psi *and* you get more Moxie! Which also covers the whole "Critical Failure = Spasms" thing, if you roll one, pop some Moxie. Morph fever is nothing. Why? Because read its effect. "In game terms, asyncs take 1d10/2 points of mental stress damage every month they stay in a pod, synthmorph or infomorph [i]without psychological assistance by a psychiatrist, software, or muse[/i]. Well then, its a good thing any sane Psi user is going to make sure that they either 1) Take Downtime to counter mental stress or 2) Have a Muse, and thus be immune from Morph Fever. The only really annoying drawback Psi users suffer from is Morph Acclimatization. Derangements are irksome, but some are fun to roleplay (anxiety, echolalia, mute) so no worries here either! Psi is worth it as it is. I have a single qualm with it as written, and that is that Strain is physical damage. I think it would be much more flavourful is it was mental damage instead. But eh, thats easy to house-rule. Edit: On Psi users being hunted down. Yes, they would be. That is if there was anyway they could be detected other than by using other Psi-Gamma users or by reading their brains through other means. The way the virus is detected normally is via the nanomachines that are present within the infected. These nanos are not there in Watts-Macleod victims, they seemingly do their thing and then bugger off. Even then, most people have no idea that Psi abilities are real (Rumours, sure, but there are rumours that the TITANs never even left and WOO THIS IS A SIMULSPACE! Matrix is now!), and those in the know seem to want to keep it that way, or they dont know that its caused by the Exsurgent virus.
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King Shere King Shere's picture
Re: Why Asyncs?
CodeBreaker wrote:
On Psi users being hunted down. Yes, they would be. That is if there was anyway they could be detected other than by using other Psi-Gamma users or by reading their brains through other means. .
Or if they abuse their Psi powers in a way that they expose themselves, for example melting security guards brains while "taped" or does something blatantly alien in public. In EP its likely that the walls have eyes and ears.
CodeBreaker CodeBreaker's picture
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Well yeah, if you walk up to a guy, shake his hand and he suddenly falls down dead there are going to be consequences. But it doesn't immediately mean that everyone is going to be out to get you because you can melt peoples brain with your mind. They are going to be out to get you because [i]you walked up to a guy and he died[/i]. In EP there are numerous ways for a normal person to do that (nanopoisons ho!), the kinds of things investigators are going to suspect way before "He is a walking, talking brain microwave". The rest of the Psi powers are almost universally subtle enough that they wouldn’t give the user away. Grok would be mighty strange to watch, as would being able to tell people what they are thinking, but as long as the Psi user doesn’t get herp derp retarded and start throwing about the brain melt too much they should be fine. At least until Firewall/Ozma start noticing you anyway.
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Demonseed Elite Demonseed Elite's picture
Re: Why Asyncs?
CodeBreaker wrote:
I have a single qualm with it as written, and that is that Strain is physical damage. I think it would be much more flavourful is it was mental damage instead. But eh, thats easy to house-rule.
Yeah, agreed, and I've been thinking about that a bit lately. I think it'd be much more interesting if Psi use generated mental stress and if overuse led to the async's world going weird. Hallucinations, paranoia, black-outs, etc. That's much more fascinating than physical damage.
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Quincey Forder Quincey Forder's picture
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I envisions the Async in the light of the Bionics in Mass Effects. In the novel Mass Effect: Ascension, there is a very cool exemple of a possible Async inspiration -the habitat serving as a school for asyncs (bionics, in the story) -Dr Kahlee Chambers, a cool and cute psychosurgeon -Gillian Grayson could very well be 'altered' to be a Lost, suffering of autism, whose father, Paul Grayson, was given custody of her by his Firewall superiors (don't hate me for equaling Firewall with Cerberus, both organisations are very similar in goals and methods) -Replace the Quarian pilgrim with a young scumborn on iniatic trip another inspiration would be Morinth. Aaahh Morinth! I just love that character! Her and her mother both. "Embrace Eternity, lover." Who is Morinth's mother? that would be telling, wouldn't it? [img]http://images3.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20100205212327/masseffect/images/a... the Ardat-Yakshi condition and what it causes to the women affected by it looks a lot like what the Exsurgent Virus could do. It's like a deadly Basilisk Hack
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Dry Observer Dry Observer's picture
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In addition to the other benefits mentioned, it's also one of the easiest ways to model a posthuman or near-posthuman of less-than-limitless knowledge and power. In fact, I pretty much rule that some of the more evolved NPCs (Seed AIs, intellectual Exhumans, etc) effectively have at least a Psi-Chi sleight or two, even if they've never been exposed to any version of the Watts-McLeod or other Exsurgent virii. Basically, these beings have all, to some extent or another, learned to "hack" their own minds, thus developing abilities far beyond those of lesser mortals. Combine just some of the Chi sleights listed above with augmentations and a Cognition and/or Intuition, and suddenly you have an incredibly powerful inventor, scientist, artist, writer, problem-solver, whatever you need. Granted, if you're putting together someone using starting character rules you still have to focus your skills in a particular direction, but in terms of what you can do in your field, you will have few transhuman rivals, and even the TITANs and the Prometheans may find your gifts of significant value.

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750 750's picture
Re: Why Asyncs?
A quick once-over on the "powers" do not see a personal problem. At least not with the psi-chi set. They come out as more of a cognitive rewiring then anything else. The psi-gamma's however walk into vulcan territory. Tho if one can find a plausible explanation for the ability to interconnect two nervous systems by skin contact, they are potentially more acceptable. The ranged abilities are the most "troublesome". Still, given that a shark can supposedly detect the EM field of a living entity... All in all, it would seem that asyncs are basically humans with a titan-provided tuneup. Perhaps a mentat comparison is appropriate?
Quincey Forder Quincey Forder's picture
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something that comes to mind. is there ESPers around beside the Asyncs?
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Rhyx Rhyx's picture
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Well in the spoilers pages in the back: [**Warning Spoiler** read past here and don't come crying to me!] There might be some indications that the Factors might be able to merge into a group mind but it's up to you to decide if that counts as Psi or not. Also the synergists form a bond that could be somewhat like a collective mind, at that point what is the difference between direct neural transmission and telephathy? There's also talk of Psi-Epsilon slights that are supposed to be exsurgent only but they describe as telekinesis, cryokinesis and pyrokinesis. So if the Wotts-McLeod virus can give Psi slights these is no reason for another mutant strain could not be a tamed pyrokenetic or cryokinetic version. After all, they put the precedent down. The caveat to that idea is that if you go down that road you might as well dust off your copy of Mutants and Masterminds... It's a fine line but the door is open.
CodeBreaker CodeBreaker's picture
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Its probably better to keep *SPOILER* Epsilon level Psi in the GMs hands, as it really starts to break down the already fairly thin lines (in places) between EP being hard-ish Sci-Fi and it being soft Sci-Fi. I think the best example of Psi capable characters we have so far, at least on TV, would be River from Firefly. She shows clear potential use of numerous Psi-Chi sleights, and a few of the Psi-Gamma ones, to a degree that I would not be suprised if whoever wrote the Psi chapter used her as inspiration. Plus she is just a little bit batshit crazy, which goes well with the Lost :D
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Zoombie Zoombie's picture
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I made an Async character based ENTIRELY around one concept: Social chameleon. That works shockingly well. Mimic, subliminal, memory edit, and other tricks like that lets her basically breeze through any biomorphic security, boosting impersonation and persuasion checks. So, yeah, I think asyncs work fine...as for the blurry lines of hard-SF and soft-SF, I think of it this way: Eclipse Phase is rock hard SF, but every once and a while Cthulu pops up. Asyncs are just people with the Innsmouth Look.