JimJim wrote:

Thanks for bringing this up on the errata thread. Right now, my group is assuming that the average grenade either dissipates damage (the "option A" that I mentioned) or has a standard 10-meter radius (as indicated by grenade types like overload, spray, and a few others). The description of the uniform blast on page 194 says: "All targets within the noted blast radius suffer the same damage. Damage against targets outside of the main blast sphere is reduced by –2 per meter." After doing a little reading on how thermobaric devices work (one word: OUCH), I've decided to run the grenades as uniform damage out to 10 meters from the epicenter (adjust up or down based on charge size), and -2 from the edge of that radius until the damage is gone. I'm still not sure that I'm correct about this; based on a little light math, the average person wouldn't be able to throw a standard-sized thermobaric grenade far enough to get out of its secondary blast radius, at least not with any accuracy. But it does seem fairly consistent with what I've read about air-fuel devices.

No problem, it's an issue that warrants errata. As for your fix, I think it might be a bit excessive. 5 meters might be reasonable for a grenade. Remember, we're talking radius in meters for a hand-portable bomb... and a 10 meter radius (effectively a 20 meter diameter/width) would have a primary blast zone that is essentially a 65½ foot-wide ball of fire. That's a span about a fifth the length of a football field. If you are comfortable with a 10 meter radius, then there are plenty of ways for agents to remain safe. Besides the obvious facts that lobbing actually gives a grenade good distance from the thrower if done right, or that most people who throw a grenade take immediate cover (always a good idea when dealing with explosives anyways; practically a universal rule of combat), you might want to remember that not all grenade necessarily have to work off of a timed fuse. There are a number of other possible options, of which I'll list my two favorites. [list][*]Remote Control: Potentially the best one, with the best possibilities. Such grenades are synched to your mesh inserts and will detonate whenever you want them to, if you want them to. The absolute best grenades when someone is a klutz... a misthrown grenade can be left inert and possibly even retrieved for a second attempt. [*]Programmable: Everything in Eclipse Phase seems to have sensors; some way to perceive the outside world. It should not be too surprising if grenades also had such options. If that were the case, then it should be completely logical for grenades to be programmed to take in certain environmental factors when deciding to prime or detonate. For example, one of my players has programmed his grenades to remain permanently inert so long as they are within 10 meters of his mesh inserts. Most of my players have programmed their grenades to detonate 1 meter off the ground when thrown, blowing up just before landing to do the most possible damage at torso-level. The number of options is potentially limitless if your players decide on the right parameters, effectively allowing them to own smart grenades. Just make sure you tell them what sort of sensors the grenades have, so they can make assumptions on what the grenades can detect.[/list] These are just possibilities, which may or may not be canon to the setting (it never really says how grenades detonate in Eclipse Phase, far as I can see). Use them as you please.

Any official answer on this yet?

Thats 72'+ of blast from a pocket sized delivery system or 144'+ from man portable missile. I'm just thinking volume of combustibles wouldn't be that large. I was thinking 2-4 meters for a grenade sized delivery system, 4-8 for a full sized missile. This makes it a little safer to use as a man portable weapon and make more sense considering the amount of dispersal you could achieve with such a small amount of chemical. I'm no expert though and this is a sci fi setting so I was just wondering if anyone official had chimed in.

A quick and admittedly imprecise experiment accomplished a misty spray of 480cc's of thickened liquid under high pressure just under 10 meters. I think this works out pretty well for a hand thrown delivery system. Works out to around 10 meters uniform blast and another 10 for the shock-wave reduced damage area. I think for our games I'd feel more comfortable with this.

No video..was one of those probably shouldn't be doing this at work experiments.