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China's Social Credit Network

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SquireNed SquireNed's picture
China's Social Credit Network
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-china-34592186 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lHcTKWiZ8sI So apparently there are now things not entirely dissimilar to reputation networks being invented and used in China. Welp, it's time for a desert bunker.
TheGrue TheGrue's picture
C-Rep?
Read about this the other day - I too could not help but draw parallels to EP's reputation networks. Somehow the concept seems a lot more sinister now that it's in the real world.
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TheGrue wrote:Read about this
TheGrue wrote:
Read about this the other day - I too could not help but draw parallels to EP's reputation networks. Somehow the concept seems a lot more sinister now that it's in the real world.
I think part of it is the application. A social reputation network is not necessarily inherently bad, but when it's being instituted by one of the largest scale abusers of human rights it's hard to look at it with a positive perspective.
Observator Observator's picture
Appearances
... Can be deceiving. Some of us genuinely do not want this flavor of 'C-rep' on our records, and would like to see this fall flat on its face before it is made mandatory. Perhaps someone can adjust the funding downward in the next five-millisecond plan?
SquireNed SquireNed's picture
The problem is that we're all
The problem is that we're all (or almost all) in an involuntary credit network as is (at least Americans are, and I'd assume most people elsewhere are as well), so it's not like there isn't precedent for something like this in the West. Personally, I'm hoping that things change before this would become real. Of course, IRL I'm pretty much a mild-mannered model citizen, I just like to grumble and whine.
Pyrite Pyrite's picture
SquireNed wrote:The problem
SquireNed wrote:
The problem is that we're all (or almost all) in an involuntary credit network as is
While this is true, the credit reporting agencies aren't allowed to hold your political opinions against you... ...yet, at least.
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Pyrite wrote:SquireNed wrote
Pyrite wrote:
SquireNed wrote:
The problem is that we're all (or almost all) in an involuntary credit network as is
While this is true, the credit reporting agencies aren't allowed to hold your political opinions against you... ...yet, at least.
True, but they're also not required to be wholly transparent. I'm sure at some point there's been impropriety that nobody knows about, even if it's not institutionalized. Likewise, there's no opt-out feature other than simply making lifestyle decisions like not taking loans or credit cards: lifestyle decisions that the economic system is built around encouraging.
uwtartarus uwtartarus's picture
If you are responsible and
If you are responsible and never use or even have a credit card, your credit score is affected. No opting out. You must play the game to gain any of the benefits like home ownership or some jobs (credit checking for employment is apparently a thing).
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uwtartarus wrote:If you are
uwtartarus wrote:
If you are responsible and never use or even have a credit card, your credit score is affected. No opting out. You must play the game to gain any of the benefits like home ownership or some jobs (credit checking for employment is apparently a thing).
I think the credit checking for employment is more of a "we don't want a deadbeat" thing. Otherwise I'm in trouble.
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SquireNed wrote:uwtartarus
SquireNed wrote:
uwtartarus wrote:
If you are responsible and never use or even have a credit card, your credit score is affected. No opting out. You must play the game to gain any of the benefits like home ownership or some jobs (credit checking for employment is apparently a thing).
I think the credit checking for employment is more of a "we don't want a deadbeat" thing. Otherwise I'm in trouble.
Right, that's what I mean. Never getting a credit card is bad for your credit, which could lead to a bad score (I don't know how badly it affects it), and if they credit check you to make sure you're not a deadbeat, they won't see "bad score (because no credit card)" or "bad score (defaulted on credit cards)" so it is tricky and problematic.
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