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There is some mention in the core book about rep markets and banks, but this isn't something that is covered in great detail. Do any of our Extropians want to fill us in on how rep and money can be exchanged? Are we talking about a foreign exchange market? Or does rep treat money like any other good that must be purchased and vice versa? A setting I've been working on involves an illegal qbit stock market floating through space on a scum barge, but I'm not really sure what, exactly, would still be traded on a stock market. I'm not even sure if stock markets would even exist, or if they will have been replaced by some other type of trading market.
Ooh, nasty thought. Ego exchange markets, not unlike a good old-fashioned roman slave market.—
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[hr] So the exchange itself is a favor? That does makes sense with our current foreign exchange markets. When trading currency currently, banks trade "pips", which are something like .0001 cents on a dollar (I'm not sure which currency the pips are based on), and a standard lot increment is something like 100,000 (for dollars). But I'm working off of Wikipedia here, so my knowledge is limited. Would the bank then be collecting Trivial favors, or does it charge higher favor rates for individuals? Another question: how does a new rep get established? Is there some interplanetary consortium on rep markets that decides which reps are work monetizing? Or do reps start out as only valuable for rep exchange, and then get big enough for the banks to notice? I've been playing with a set of extra rep networks over at the Darkcast site (mostly splitting out sub-rep networks), but I haven't figured out how a new rep would take hold.@-rep +1
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[hr] What you say makes sense, and is true, but I disagree with the conclusion that there is not point to attaching a number to reputation. I've seen the rep exchange for money a few times on d-kos, and the same sorts of rep-burning that can happen for the same. I've seen it traded upon for help finding jobs, I use it to pull in research information I wouldn't be able to find alone, and I've seen writers use it to gather ideas for publications. It works best for the few people that are best known, but doesn't work very well for anyone who hasn't been posting recently. And that last bit is the part that explicit numbers help with. Reputation on a forum disappears almost instantly when you step off of the conversation turnover time of a forum, but conversely, there isn't much point in dumping piles of time into a community when throwing out a piece of conversation chum at least twice a cycle does the job just as well or better. Numbers allow users of a community the option of working on larger projects that appear less frequently. For instance, TRBMInsanity is by far the "richest" member of the community, but you wouldn't know that all of our userbars come from him(?) if you were new to the site. Since he can display a string of numbers for different reps, new users can instantly recognize that he has some worth to the community, and after comparing with a few other posters, they can pick up on the relative worth of his reps. Now scale it up to communities of hundreds of thousands, or millions. You get the long tail effect, where most of the recognition is stacked in the first two standard deviations, and everything after that is practically unknown. With numbers, this is still true, but the size of the standard deviations can be made much larger, as you don't have to rely solely upon the attention span of the community.@-rep +1
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[hr] I get how a new individuals reputation begins to form, but how does a new rep network form? Suppose we have x-rep, which is the Singluarist network. They are a small group (because everyone else wants to kill them), but they are all zealots. A good standing in the x-rep network can get you access to horrible doomsday devices you wouldn't be able to easily get from i-rep, but having any x-rep can be a black mark on any other reps you might have. Banks wouldn't accept x-rep (or g-rep, or i-rep for that matter), so how does it get established?@-rep +1
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[hr] That makes perfect sense for any of the established rep networks, but it still implies that there is no way for a new rep network to develop. I consider one of the primary benefits of rep networks to be their flexibility, but that gets shot to pieces if it doesn't have a good transferability. I've been putting together sub-rep factions over on the darkcast website, because the rep networks seem too monolithic to me. I think the writers may have felt similarly, as they have several groups lumped in with each rep network. I call @@-rep the Anarchists slice of @-rep, which for almost all intents and purposes counts as @-rep, unless the Anarchists are having a snit in some specific local and the Barsoomians don't feel like respecting it. Or say the Extropians are being all bitchy and won't exchange @b-rep for the Barsoomians into æ-rep (Extropian sub-rep) without a higher exchange rate because they feel like making a profit. Most of the time things like this won't matter at all, as all sub-reps should be respected by the overall rep network, but it can make for interesting exploitation in certain circumstances (particularly with g-rep). Also, what happens if a sub-rep network feels like their interests aren't being cared for by their current network, and want to shift? Say the Titanians want to be part of the c-rep network because they feel like they should be treated like a government, what then? Oh, yea, that other thing: does g-rep really get respected by banks?@-rep +1
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[hr] The rep networks that aren't publicly available have some very interesting effects. i-rep, g-rep, and the x-rep I made up (eXhumans, includes Singluarists, seed AI researchers, basically all of your Big Bads) aren't publicly acknowledged, but effect the the market anyway. Given the sophistication of the market monitoring/prediction groups, I have difficulty believing that banks don't have at least some idea of where those reps are having an effect, and to what extent. On the other hand, if the markets are truly chaotic beasts, it is quite likely that different hidden rep networks change to the market as a whole, but the effects of any individual rep network can't be discerned from background noise with any certainty. Add to that qbit communication market manipulation (if a trader at the Venusian market knows what the price of antimatter on Titan is, they can make trades with FTL communication and outrace the signal, gaining market advantage), and I imagine there are people/groups who put enormous effort into keeping the background noise loud enough to drown out their own manipulations. Hmm, Oligarchs plan an antimatter plant sabotage on Mercury after cornering the market just prior to the launch of a new Jovian battlecruiser, forcing the Jovians to trade with their hypercorps to keep from losing face by delaying the launch. Of course, the problem with having large stockpiles of antimatter...@-rep +1
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