I'm not that much of a gun nut myself - personally, I just stick to a pulsar for personal defense, and come back in my VTOL if I need something really dead. Nothing says "no, really, stay dead" like a barrage of thermobaric missiles from a dozen km out. But I ran a flier for a crew of gatecrashers for a while, and those guys knew how to pack the firepower. Take this one guy, for example. No names, of course. But he had a contraption he liked to call his "death hose". It was a microgrenade launcher, basically a coilgun, but fully automatic and backpack fed. It worked pretty much like what it sounded like. He'd pick something (or things) he wanted dead, and turn the "hose" loose on them. Bastard didn't even really aim all that much; just put up a curtain of fast-moving, deadly projectiles. I saw him use that thing on a this...black cloud...nanoswarm, I think - and it was beautiful. He put nearly a six dozen plasma microgrenades into it in the space of a few seconds. It ain't poetry, but damned if he didn't put the things down.

EDIT OOC: I didnt mean to double post, the forum just kind of did that.

Anarhista wrote:

That's right: guns don't kill people, people do! (using guns, but that's not the point)

My automated turret says you're wrong. He'll also call you an asshole, before he finally decides to kill you. I'd tell him to stop shooting you, but he's really moody.

:encryption enabled: ::ghost node encrypted:: :::ghost node tunnel open::: And here it devolved into the expected testosterone filled bragging competition, "my cannon is longer than yours"-stuff, and an attitude that will make you end up perma-killed. Whelps. The second you rely on guns is the second you've lost. Info my friends, info and intel's the thing. Sure, I understand the libido connected gratification of things going boom, and have watched hyper-corp offices go up in flames from afar, but that's the key-word right there; afar. And no personal involvement in the violence. :::ghost node tunnel closed::: ::ghost node encryption disabled:: :encryption disabled:

Words are wonderful things. I should know, after spending a lifetime (or two) trying to figure out how to best string them together. Some say I've gotten better. I still say I've room to improve. That said, I still sleep better at night with my plasma rifle within arm's reach. Hildegarde gives me more comfort than any amount of intel I've been fed.

If violence comes from gun then we should not make any guns and use only tranquilizer guns from M16 to Machine Gun and all kind of ammo and not the deadly ones that can kill people.. I hate violence.. ---------------------------------- get dragonvale hack

@Ravn: See, I've worked with a few spooks that have had similar attitudes to your own, and they never seem to grok that when you "watch hypercorps offices go up from afar", there actually needs to be someone making them go up. And all the intel in the world won't matter if the operator doesn't know how to play it. That's why businessmen like me get paid the big money. In a firefight, I prefer to use my Brokk Metallurgy Gungnir, but it's not exactly feasible in a lot of environments, as its size is somewhat unwieldy, it can shoot holes in the exteriors of some less-reinforced stations, and people tend to get twitchy when they can see it. That's why I tend to optimize my morphs for subtlety; I've got two monofilament messer and a pair of CHK 2210s tucked away in this body, plus an alarming amount of toxins and liquid thermite. It's strange; I find a lot of the newer weapon technologies tend to falter against synths. With the lack of effective incapacitation weaponry there's not much substitute for crippling physical damage, which is the specialty of kinetic weapons. Splashing liquid thermite on them helps, though.

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See, I've worked with a few spooks that have had similar attitudes to your own, and they never seem to grok that when you "watch hypercorps offices go up from afar", there actually needs to be someone making them go up. And all the intel in the world won't matter if the operator doesn't know how to play it. That's why businessmen like me get paid the big money.

Damned right. I can't count the number of times I've seen missions that start with "If we do this right, no one will even see us" end with me pulling a hot extraction against a swarm of hostile secbots - or worse. Most of my jobs come down to getting in quietly or getting out noisily, and since this is the armory chat, let's talk about the latter. The bird in question is a Superdynamics Logos, a two-engine thrust vectored multimode VTOL. Those who know your aviation will know that the Logos is a civilian aircraft, but it's basically the same airframe as the Superdynamics AirWarrior, minus a lot of the toys and hardening...and the blueprints for the AirWarrior, along with quite a few of its accessories, have been more or less 'open source' since not too long after the Fall. So when we're on down-time, it's a fairly run of the mill tour guide or courier in the outback. When we're on the clock, I - and a shop full of bots - can convert the thing to a lean, mean, killing machine in about twelve hours. Primary armament is the missile launchers, four boxes of four a piece. I wasn't kidding when I said my favorite way to kill something was a spread of thermobarics, but that's rarely on the menu. Instead a typical load is eight HEAP, four HE, and an EMP, Overload, Concussion, and Plasmaburst. The missile pods are variable-linked, so the exact characteristic and mods depend on the mission, but most commonly you'll see GDS-brand active guidance systems, for all-range homing capability. Most of them also have a laser guidance mode, and I have a laser mounted on the chin turret, but it's rarely worth the bother. Next up is the chin turret! Like I said, it's got a laser mount, but that's not why it's there. The chin turret mounts dual particle beam bolters, for high-damage precision work at a reasonable distance against evading targets. Not much to say about it, other than that the thing's damned temperamental if you're maneuvering too fast, because you'll start to get blooming effects - but it's really the only choice for drone removal, and a decent support weapon. Another GDS product. Then we move on to the real support gunnery. Here we've gone away from GDS to a Krypton Armaments - they're a Lunar brand - heavy machine gun. They're mounted on a smart bracing system right outside of either side door, and the mount uses pseudomuscles that let the gun be controlled either by the craft or manually by someone in the main compartment, in the door gunner's spot. Finally, the defensive armament. Four shard pistols on articulated mounts for almost-complete coverage, integrated into the threat tracking software for both final defensive fire against incoming missiles and for close support - and that second one comes up depressingly often when dealing with creepy, crawly, weird alien shit. The defensive armament is supplemented by a pair of micromissile mounts on the top, with EMP and smoke/chaff loadouts. If you think all of this shit is too much for one pilot to handle during a rapidly changing operation, especially one as chaotic as a hot extraction - well, you're partially right. There's a reason I have some damned good wetware. But my muse also handles a lot of the abstraction and simplification, and the ECM/Gunner role can be handled either by Erika Sven (Firewall handle), my sometimes friend and almost as gun-happy as the lot of you, or by yours truly in fork form. In truth, I don't like doing the fork thing - even if it's temporary, the merging is always a bitch, and Erika - or someone else - will see things that I'd miss if the only eyes on the situation were mine.

savanah wrote:

I don't like carrying guns, being a neo avian it's rare to find any kind of weapon that is designed for uplifts. (I'm telling you, this is pure specicism! They are keeping us subjugated!) But in recent times I finally managed to put my claws on a nice custom made seeker launcher that works amazingly well for something I traded for some strange photos, I'm still getting used to all the different kinds of amunnition that I can load into that thing! It's like choosing ice cream, but it explodes!

No offense, but making weapons for neo avian morphs is annoying as hell for us land-bound techs. With strict weight and recoil limitations, no to mention how awkward it is to maneuver and aim a weapon with talons, you pretty much need a bird on the design team to do things right. Even then, you are talking about using a fairly fragile morph. I would suggest considering jamming or sleeving into a flying bot or synth for heavy combat so you can mount more serious firepower while keeping the advantage of your natural flying prowess. The black bird is an excellent stealth flyer synthmorph that looks cool while still being practical. Add a built in seeker launcher or assault rifle and some light combat armor and you have a terrifying invisible bomber.

hhexo wrote:

I see there's a fair number of snipers in this thread. I won't deny I'm one too. Zaitsev SR12, the railgun version. And a selection of rounds. If you can, it's always better to take out targets from afar. Of course that requires preparation. Research. Shadowing your target, learning their movements, hacking into the networks they usually access, collecting data. Once you've done that... well, sometimes it is just easier to go electronic. Hack into the habitat and vent their room into space. Or stop the life support system recycling oxygen. Sometimes however you have to get close and personal. In which case I try to incapacitate. Sleeves these days are quite tough, and if you're up against trained personnel they are going to have good mods too. I found that you're not likely to one-shot them. Freezer, shock, or EMP: that's what you need. That gives you time to deal with them any way you want, really. Unless you get too close to a Reaper or one of those crazy tanks, of course. Then you have done it completely wrong. You don't get close to one of them. It's a mistake you make once and try not to repeat. Although it was fun to headbutt that Reaper and then activate the emergency farcaster. I'm told the AM explosion did make a dent in the thing, for what it's worth.

Sniping can be rendered useless in more cramped habitats, tac-net antics aside. Though There have been so interesting long shots in cylinder habs from one side to the other, after rotation is factored in.