Betting in the New Economy

Sun, 2012-11-04 15:49

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RustedPantheress RustedPantheress's picture

Inconsequential things. I'm

Inconsequential things. I'm guessing that there isn't a lot of betting going on, as that usually requires money.

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Sun, 2012-11-04 15:55

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Dr. Black

Good question, I would also

Good question, I would also go for favors: „If you win I will make the next hull repair duty for you.“ An other possibility are ridicules actions: „I will wear a bear costume (the kind the use as football mascot) for two weeks.“

Sun, 2012-11-04 16:01

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RustedPantheress RustedPantheress's picture

As an example, look at

As an example, look at Firefly: That card game between Jayne, Simon, and Book. They were betting using chores, so that can be used as well.

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Sun, 2012-11-04 21:44

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OneTrikPony OneTrikPony's picture

Every card game in every B

Every card game in every B western or mob movie has watches, guns, car keys or someone's girlfriend on the table. Not having money is not the same as not having wealth. Gambling isn't about money it's about wealth. GMing Rep bets is flavorless if you allow it to become a matter of anny a low @-rep favor and raise a Moderate R-rep favor. If you define those favors; anny a night at Ma'am Beuela's, raise your favorite shard gun, it gets much more fun. When it gets to the point you've got everything but your vacuum suit and the morph wearing it in the pot, and you have to raise or call, it gets pretty intense. [edit] just realized I mentioned R-rep favors, I'm thinking those are pretty juicy. If you can bet a favor-what ever it might be- from someone on the RNA net you're probably chipping in something cool.[/edit]

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Sun, 2012-11-04 22:35

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NewtonPulsifer NewtonPulsifer's picture

Betting my favorite shard

Betting my favorite shard pistol might not matter if it can be re-fabricated down to the molecule. Certain rare-ish elements could still act as money (gold, platinum, strontium-90 for nuclear batteries), but cred isn't impossible to come by, even in Locus (it's just a farcaster transaction away, really).

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Sun, 2012-11-04 23:38

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OneTrikPony OneTrikPony's picture

in locus there are probably

in locus there are probably several Solaris bankers but I don't see people buying Solaris' chips for a "friendly" cardgame. :)

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Mon, 2012-11-05 05:19

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GreyBrother GreyBrother's picture

NewtonPulsifer wrote:Betting

NewtonPulsifer wrote:
Betting my favorite shard pistol might not matter if it can be re-fabricated down to the molecule.

It might not, but why would you want to lose your shardpistol named Carol with which you did sooo many interesting things together...

Mon, 2012-11-05 11:34

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NewtonPulsifer NewtonPulsifer's picture

I'm trans-sentimental now. A

I'm trans-sentimental now. A perfect copy is as good as the original :)

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Mon, 2012-11-05 18:25

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OneTrikPony OneTrikPony's picture

NewtonPulsifer wrote:I'm

NewtonPulsifer wrote:
I'm trans-sentimental now. A perfect copy is as good as the original :)

Transentimentalism is not a common quality in the setting or there woudn't be any value in Earth Artifacts or handcrafted items. The ability to make one perfect copy destroys the singular value of the original. More so, since making a perfect copy probably requires actual destruction of the original.

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Mon, 2012-11-05 19:53

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NewtonPulsifer NewtonPulsifer's picture

Creative use of XP and memory

Creative use of XP and memory lock and I can disassemble that Stradivarius, sell a copy 5 times, and still believe I own the original!

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Mon, 2012-11-05 20:15

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OneTrikPony OneTrikPony's picture

NewtonPulsifer wrote:Creative

NewtonPulsifer wrote:
Creative use of XP and memory lock and I can disassemble that Stradivarius, sell a copy 5 times, and still believe I own the original!

That's what i love about you man. :D Your willingness to be mentally flexible is legendary. BTW would you like to see my new Stradivarious? Some guy is selling them from the back of a van out on the quad! I'm thinking of getting 2 more so we can do a quartet :D

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Mon, 2012-11-05 23:19

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RustedPantheress RustedPantheress's picture

I would like a set of

I would like a set of bagpipes attached to a claymore. Make that two claymores! No, make that a claymore and a claymore.

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Mon, 2012-11-05 23:51

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NewtonPulsifer NewtonPulsifer's picture

The first claymore is named

The first claymore is named Killie, the second Crankie. Killiecrankie is a real place in Scotland. Makes me giggle every time I say it.

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Tue, 2012-11-06 00:05

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RustedPantheress RustedPantheress's picture

SCOTSMAN TOWARDS ENEMY

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Tue, 2012-11-06 01:56

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GreyBrother GreyBrother's picture

A Claymore attached to a

A Claymore attached to a Claymore? Thats something i could get sentimental for.

Wed, 2012-11-07 04:20

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uwtartarus uwtartarus's picture

wow

Claymores attached to claymores, and Stradivarii replicas? This forum is endlessly amusing. Large enough habitats with enough traffic, politics aside, would bound to have people trading credits, even if you are an honest Autonomist, never hurts to have credits to give/trade for rep or favors. Pure rep economies with ZERO use for credits seem more of a far outer system thing, where Inner System types or Extropians are too rare for the credits to mean much, nigh Brinker!!

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Wed, 2012-11-07 20:54

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Nick Chopper Nick Chopper's picture

Using commodities and or

Using commodities and or favors to cover betting happens in today's economy, and not just in "moneyless" venues like prison. So betting maker bricks or thorium batteries wouldn't be anything new or outlandish. What would be different would be gambling for the sake of reputation gains. The loser might owe the winner a public admission being wrong, and that the winner was correct.

Wed, 2012-11-07 22:32

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Justin Alexander Justin Alexander's picture

If the new economy actually

If the new economy actually worked as advertised, there would be no gambling. You might see some gambling games survive with people playing them socially for an arbitrary pool of meaningless table stakes, but most gambling games are pretty boring without money on the line and would simply disappear. If the new economy doesn't actually work as advertised, then gambling will serve to highlight the system's failure points: What is the stuff that's still scarce? That's what people will gamble with: Fabber access. Rare materials. Et cetera. Look at how gambling worked in Soviet Russia: That's how it will work in new economies. A more realistic interpretation is that "rep" is just currency with a different name operating in a society with the trivial resources necessary to make widespread and high quality welfare systems common and accepted. (The "new economy" described in the core rulebook actually looks exactly like a late-20th century capitalist society except it somehow magically gets away without using currency.) If that's the case, then people will gamble with rep.

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Wed, 2012-11-07 23:50

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OneTrikPony OneTrikPony's picture

Justin Alexander wrote:If the

Justin Alexander wrote:
If the new economy actually worked as advertised, there would be no gambling. You might see some gambling games survive with people playing them socially for an arbitrary pool of meaningless table stakes, but most gambling games are pretty boring without money on the line and would simply disappear.

Hmm. I'm wondering how you feel about the idea that novelty will be a currency for people with few tangible needs.

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Thu, 2012-11-08 11:20

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The Doctor The Doctor's picture

uwtartarus wrote:Large enough

uwtartarus wrote:
Large enough habitats with enough traffic, politics aside, would bound to have people trading credits, even if you are an honest Autonomist, never hurts to have credits to give/trade for rep or favors. Pure rep economies with ZERO use for credits seem more of a far outer system thing, where Inner System types or Extropians are too rare for the credits to mean much, nigh Brinker!!

Why not use peoples' access to different people in bets? Just because someone is in your social network does not necessarily mean that they are favorably disposed toward you, or that they would even consider doing a favor for you? So, make the bet the other person calling in a marker on your behalf. In other words, if I lose a bet I have to call in a favor that a friend of mine owes me but have the favor be something you need done.

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Sat, 2012-11-10 04:24

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Justin Alexander Justin Alexander's picture

OneTrikPony wrote:Hmm. I'm

OneTrikPony wrote:
Hmm. I'm wondering how you feel about the idea that novelty will be a currency for people with few tangible needs.

Sounds plausible. Large chunks of our current economy is already built on buying and selling novelty, after all. But it will still be traded as a currency. Why? Because it doesn't matter what you're trading: A currency system will be better than barter.

The Doctor wrote:
Why not use peoples' access to different people in bets?

Case in point: Mary, Scott, and Louise are all playing poker. Mary opens with a bet of "access to the CEO of Dandelion Industries". Scott wants a job with Dandelion Industries, so that sounds like something he really, really wants. So he calls Mary's bet with "access to the famous painter Gecko". But Mary hates paintings and has never heard of Gecko. Has Scott actually called her bet or not? Then there's Louise, who highly values the Gecko access but could care less about Dandelion Industries. What does she need to bet in order to call? Valuable access or not-so-valuable access? What if she wants to raise? Mary has X and wants Y. Scott has Y, but doesn't want X; he does want Z. Louise has Z and wants F or maybe a little bit of M. Oh, man. If only there were some way we could genericize value so that trading could occur without creating large, specific networks of desirable trades. ;) X in this scenario can be a goat or a favor or access or a rare mineral or the latest episode of Doctor Who. It doesn't really matter. This is a solved problem.

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