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Shulamith Firestone

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Shulamith Firestone
Second-wave feminist Shulamith Firestone (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shulamith_Firestone) recently died in New York City. What caught my attention, as the news circulated on my Facebook friends feed, was the proto-transhumanist elements in her work, the 1970 tome _The Dialectic of Sex_. (The first chapter is available at http://www.marxists.org/subject/women/authors/firestone-shulamith/dialec....) These two sensitive obituaries (http://www.theatlantic.com/national/archive/2012/08/eulogy-for-a-sex-rad..., http://www.theatlanticwire.com/entertainment/2012/08/shulamith-firestone...) capture her central point that women's liberation is impossible so long as women alone bear the burden of childbirth. In order to free women, technology has to be developed to decouple gender from childbearing.
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These biological contingencies of the human family cannot be covered over with anthropological sophistries. one and caring. for their observing animals mating, reproducing young will have a hard time accepting the 'cultural relativity' line. For no matter how many tribes in Oceania you can find where the connection of the. father to fertility is not known, no matter . how many matrilineages, no matter how many cases o sex-role reversal, male housewifery, or even empathic labour pains, these facts prove only one thing: the amazing flexibility of human nature. But human nature is adaptable to something, it is, yes, determined by its environmental conditions. And the biological family that we have described has existed everywhere throughout time. Even in matriarchies where woman's fertility is worshipped, and the father's role is unknown or unimportant, if perhaps not on the genetic father, there is still some dependence of the female and the infant on the male. And though it is true that the nuclear family is only a recent development, one which, as I shall attempt to show, only intensifies the psychological penalties of the biological family, though it is true that throughout history there have been many variations on this biological family, the contingencies I have described existed in dictatorship, their seizure of the means of production, all of them, causing specific psychosexual distortions in the human personality. But to grant that the sexual imbalance of power is biologically based is not to lose our case. We are no longer just animals. And the kingdom of nature does not reign absolute. As Simone de Beauvoir herself admits:
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The theory of historical materialism has brought to light some important truths. Humanity is not an animal species, it is a historical reality. Human society is an antiphysis - in a sense it is against nature; it does not passively submit to the presence of nature but rather takes over the control of nature on its own behalf. This arrogation is not an inward, subjective operation; it is accomplished objectively in practical action.
Thus the 'natural' is not necessarily a 'human' value. Humanity has begun to transcend Nature: we can no longer justify the maintenance of a discriminatory sex class system on grounds of its origins in nature. Indeed, for pragmatic reasons alone it is beginning to look as if we must get rid of it.
The Eclipse Phase future, for all of its terrifying failings, has achieved that decoupling.
Arenamontanus Arenamontanus's picture
It is an interesting decoupling
It is an interesting decoupling. In Eclipse Phase nearly any aspect of human nature is up for cultural modification, and thanks to various technologies the number of potential cultures is also larger. So the freedom of individual and societal choice has become so vast that it is not even clear where to begin what to select. Presumably many people work on sex, gender and reproduction simply because that are salient aspects to our human minds and have a long history of being questioned and debated. Hence Winterists, gender changes and exowombs. But it might just be a small, well-studied corner of the vast posthuman realm that people focus on because it mattered much to their ancestors and the kind of human conception they had. Meanwhile other possibilities lie outside, far more radical and frightening. But being able to arbitrarily decouple something that have for so long condemned people to certain roles because of how their genetic dice fell, is no small thing.
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Firestone's thesis, as I
Firestone's thesis, as I understand it from multiple summaries on the Internet, was that the biological distinction between men and women re: childbearing was at the root of all distinctions between people made on biological grounds, spurious or otherwise--she mentions caste and (controversially) race as byproduct of this distinction. I'm not sure whether I buy the thesis entirely, but I have heard enough stories about bigotries of one kind of another being rooted in a sort of un-masculine contamination to make me look with some favour on the idea.
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It does make me wonder how
It does make me wonder how unusual body modification will get as time passes. One of the big questions I ponder is just how important genetic code is to our biology. Could we use tech to grow organs with no DNA, which still function? Could we convert a woman physically into a man without the need for a Y chromosome (and as a corollary to that, could a man physically become a woman without losing his Y chromosome)? Once transhuman biotech passes its infancy stages, it will be interesting to see how gender roles and social structure changes. We already joke today that every woman you talk to on the internet could be a 30-year old perverted man, but that might even become a common dictum about real life.
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Arenamontanus Arenamontanus's picture
Decivre wrote:It does make me
Decivre wrote:
It does make me wonder how unusual body modification will get as time passes. One of the big questions I ponder is just how important genetic code is to our biology. Could we use tech to grow organs with no DNA, which still function?
Well, red blood cells function without DNA. But they are disposable. Cells need DNA to 1) produce RNA transcripts to make proteins from, and 2) regulate what transcripts are made. You could get around the first issue by putting ready-made RNA sequences into the cells, and the second one might be possible to get around using some of the weird RNA-RNA interactions we are only just now learning about. These cells would not last as long as DNA cells because the RNA tends to break up rather rapidly. With nanotech you could of course have entirely artificial cell nuclei, with little assemblers producing RNA to order as run by online software.
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Could we convert a woman physically into a man without the need for a Y chromosome (and as a corollary to that, could a man physically become a woman without losing his Y chromosome)?
Transsexuals do it all the time.
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Decivre Decivre's picture
Arenamontanus wrote:Well, red
Arenamontanus wrote:
Well, red blood cells function without DNA. But they are disposable. Cells need DNA to 1) produce RNA transcripts to make proteins from, and 2) regulate what transcripts are made. You could get around the first issue by putting ready-made RNA sequences into the cells, and the second one might be possible to get around using some of the weird RNA-RNA interactions we are only just now learning about. These cells would not last as long as DNA cells because the RNA tends to break up rather rapidly. With nanotech you could of course have entirely artificial cell nuclei, with little assemblers producing RNA to order as run by online software.
It does make for an interesting thought towards temporary modification. "Shareware" variations of bioware could be installed for reduced cost to see if a person is compatible with the modification, or even if they want such a modification permanently; and those modifications would be without DNA and inevitably digested by your body.
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Transsexuals do it all the time.
I'm talking something more profound. A completely fertile, wholly functional male and/or female form. The "female" (which has male chromosomes) would theoretically produce eggs with Y chromosomes, and the "male" would always produce X-chromosomal sperm. Obviously this would not be a stable modification, and any children born of such a union would be of the normal variety (if the child has a Y chromosome, it would be born male as is natural), but it still does raise interesting questions about sexuality. It also would raise interesting questions about biology (such as whether a child could be born with two Y chromosomes, unless there is an already-existent genetic anomaly of that variety).
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Decivre wrote:Arenamontanus
Decivre wrote:
Arenamontanus wrote:
Transsexuals do it all the time.
I'm talking something more profound. A completely fertile, wholly functional male and/or female form. The "female" (which has male chromosomes) would theoretically produce eggs with Y chromosomes, and the "male" would always produce X-chromosomal sperm.
Well, if you tinker with gametogenesis so that the eggs always have X chromosomes, then they ought to be fertile in the normal way. This would require at least some local genetic tinkering with the ovaries, maybe growing them separately from stem cells, modifying their genome, and then implanting them.
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Obviously this would not be a stable modification, and any children born of such a union would be of the normal variety (if the child has a Y chromosome, it would be born male as is natural), but it still does raise interesting questions about sexuality. It also would raise interesting questions about biology (such as whether a child could be born with two Y chromosomes, unless there is an already-existent genetic anomaly of that variety).
Double YY is not viable, you need at least one X to function (there are about 1 in 1000 males who are XYY). Generally I find the human sex determination system to be clunky, like most sex determination systems (at least we are not dependent on symbiotic bacterial to do it, like some crustaceans). I think we should just turn omnisexual hermaphrodites and be done with it.
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Decivre Decivre's picture
Arenamontanus wrote:Well, if
Arenamontanus wrote:
Well, if you tinker with gametogenesis so that the eggs always have X chromosomes, then they ought to be fertile in the normal way. This would require at least some local genetic tinkering with the ovaries, maybe growing them separately from stem cells, modifying their genome, and then implanting them.
No Y-chromosomal eggs? Well, that's no fun. We should do something about that. Would be a fun genetic modification.
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Double YY is not viable, you need at least one X to function (there are about 1 in 1000 males who are XYY).
That's a shame. Ruins all the potential fun that could have been.
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Generally I find the human sex determination system to be clunky, like most sex determination systems (at least we are not dependent on symbiotic bacterial to do it, like some crustaceans). I think we should just turn omnisexual hermaphrodites and be done with it.
It'd be weirder if sex was determined by environment. You know how much it would suck to want a daughter, but get a son because of an especially chilly winter? Maybe to end the concept of sexism but retain genders, people should be modified to rotate between them. Spend a season as a guy, spend the next as a woman. It would certainly make for an interesting society. Imagine all those bar-douches spending half their year fending off guys just like them, that used to be women they did the same to. True hilarity. In all seriousness, sexual reproduction would largely be unnecessary given the power to truly play with our genes. I would much rather strike away the whole system and go with full artificial reproduction, converting our sex organs into recreational toys for those that still want it. It would be [i]so[/i] much better for society as a whole (and I'm sure you could still do the whole pregnancy thing with some mods, just in case you want to try out a retro experience).
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