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How many people in EP universe are flats?

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Extrasolar Angel Extrasolar Angel's picture
How many people in EP universe are flats?
How many people in EP universe are still Falts(that means normal, non-modified humans)? I would guess a significant percentage are in Jovian Republic(still, the Splicer is listed as common so they aren't all flats), and considerable one on Luna and Earth Orbit. But what about places like Mars? Are all people there at least Splicers or do you believe that millions still are too poor to afford an upgrade or unwilling to do so?
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Tyrnis Tyrnis's picture
Re: How many people in EP universe are flats?
We know that the vast majority of transhumanity is in Splicers. I would expect a small percentage of flats scattered about the system, but even the poor on Mars are generally in Rusters or Synths, since those are much better suited to survival on Mars. Essentially, you have bioconservative enclaves like the Jovian Republic that still foster them, and aside from that you're going to have the occasional space colonist or space worker from the pre-Fall days who was still in a flat -- I see them as rare and getting rarer. I will note that I make a couple of assumptions: 1) Flats are not commercially produced, and 2) Two Splicers reproducing have another Splicer as offspring, not a flat. If you assume either of these is untrue in your game, flats are going to be comparatively more common.
OneTrikPony OneTrikPony's picture
Re: How many people in EP universe are flats?
What Tyrnis said. Also. since it's difficult and uncomfortable to survive as a flat now that there is not human friendly biosphere in the solar system. Most flats have probably upgraded with Basic Biomods. They probably also mostly have Mesh inserts and cortical stacks too. Given those the only real difference between a flat and a splicer would be the attribute maximum.

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Gerrard Gerrard's picture
Re: How many people in EP universe are flats?
On page 50 of Eclipse Phase, it notes that 95% of humanity inhabits artificially created morphs. Presumably, the remaining 5% are flats, meaning there are about 25 million flats. This number is allows for them to be by far the largest group in the Jovian Republic and still leaves enough to be a substantial minority in the LLA. This is a not inconsiderable number, but given that most of those would be in the Jovian Republic and the rest in the LLA or Horeb, it would be quite rare to see a Flat on Mars. For one thing, Flats cost the same as Splicers so non-bioconservatives would rather upgrade if they can, and bioconservatives would rather live in a country friendly to their cause like the Republic or the LLA. However, we know there are some Flats in the Planetary Consortium because it is specifically stated that the Consortium has Zeroes and otherwise mistreats ordinary humans. Actually, I imagine Flats are unlikely to bother with mesh implants. Fundamentally, an ecto does virtually everything Mesh implants do, and is cheaper besides. Cortical Stacks for Flats might be common outside the Jovian Republic, but they would be almost unheard of within it. Restrictions on uploading make them of limited utility, and sudden death is very unlikely within the rigidly controlled Jovian Colonies, so there is little need for them.
Extrasolar Angel Extrasolar Angel's picture
Re: How many people in EP universe are flats?
[quote=Gerrard]On page 50 of Eclipse Phase, it notes that 95% of humanity inhabits artificially created morphs. Presumably, the remaining 5% are flats, meaning there are about 25 million flats. [quote] Oh, that answers my questions. Thanks.
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King Shere King Shere's picture
Re: How many people in EP universe are flats?
Certanly we are however talking about the solar system and its inhabitants. However from a loophole point of view, page 50 doesn't say that the numbers are the solar system remaining inhabitants (so its open for assumption), Universe is quite vast. But it might still qualify to answers the Ops question since it are about the the EP universe (thus not necessaries limited to one mere solarsystem) So is there 25 million flats in the solarsystem, or in the universe? Does surviving flats "trapped" on Earth count? Does any eventual flats in TITAN captivity count?
Decivre Decivre's picture
Re: How many people in EP universe are flats?
Gerrard wrote:
On page 50 of Eclipse Phase, it notes that 95% of humanity inhabits artificially created morphs. Presumably, the remaining 5% are flats, meaning there are about 25 million flats.
It's actually quite less than that. Page 50 notes that while 95% of humanity inhabits artificially-created morphs, less than 4% inhabit flats and splicers. First off, that means that slightly more than 1% of the population inhabits no morph at all. Secondly, it means that the flat population is probably startlingly low, since it shares that 4% cut of the pie with splicers. I'd guess it smaller than the splicer population, so you're probably looking at ~1-2% of humanity inhabiting flats.
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CodeBreaker CodeBreaker's picture
Re: How many people in EP universe are flats?
The Page 50 reference is too vague to take any numbers at all from. The exact quote is; 'However, slightly less than four percent of the remaining population inhabit flats or splicer morphs without basic implants and also lack access to ectos and other basic technologies.' The important part of that quote is the 'without basic implants'. It is possible to be a Flat morph with mesh inserts. It is also possible for Flats to be artificial. Although I am unsure whether or not there are other figures that will give a more accurate number, this particular one tells us nothing about the total population of Flats in the solar system.
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Decivre Decivre's picture
Re: How many people in EP universe are flats?
CodeBreaker wrote:
The Page 50 reference is too vague to take any numbers at all from. The exact quote is; 'However, slightly less than four percent of the remaining population inhabit flats or splicer morphs without basic implants and also lack access to ectos and other basic technologies.' The important part of that quote is the 'without basic implants'. It is possible to be a Flat morph with mesh inserts. It is also possible for Flats to be artificial. Although I am unsure whether or not there are other figures that will give a more accurate number, this particular one tells us nothing about the total population of Flats in the solar system.
It at least gives us a mildly rough idea of how many natural bodies are left in the universe. That's at least a somewhat important figure, right?
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Gerrard Gerrard's picture
Re: How many people in EP universe are flats?
It's actually quite less than that. Page 50 notes that while 95% of humanity inhabits artificially-created morphs, less than 4% inhabit flats and splicers. First off, that means that slightly more than 1% of the population inhabits no morph at all. Secondly, it means that the flat population is probably startlingly low, since it shares that 4% cut of the pie with splicers. I'd guess it smaller than the splicer population, so you're probably looking at ~1-2% of humanity inhabiting flats.[/quote] No, because mesh implants come basic with all splicers. Splicers without mesh implants would be very rare, since there is almost no reason to remove them. The percent of that 4% without implants that are splicers is a tiny minority, and almost all of them are flats. Plus, Flats can exist with mesh implants, so they are part of the remaining 1%. So that makes about 4.4% (22 million) of humanity as flats. It's impossible for the number of Flats to be any lower than this; the backgrounds specify that Flats are reasonably common morphs in the Jovian Republic, Luna and Mars, which is utterly impossible if they are only 1-2% of the population. While Flats can be artifically created, there really isn't any significant market for them. Non-bioconservatives would rather have splicers, which cost the same, and bioconservatives would be disgusted at the concept of "manufactured" humans.
Decivre Decivre's picture
Re: How many people in EP universe are flats?
Gerrard wrote:
No, because mesh implants come basic with all splicers. Splicers without mesh implants would be very rare, since there is almost no reason to remove them.
What you forget is that splicers are just in-vitro-upgraded flats, and that splicers probably vary in capability depending on how long ago you became a splicer. The earliest splicers likely didn't have mesh inserts at all and were only slightly better flats, while newer splicers born in a habitat that doesn't allow implants (bioconservative hab, isolates lacking the tech) probably won't have them either. There's actually quite a broad potential for splicers that don't have inserts. I wonder now, why isn't there a trait for denoting splicers that aren't equipped with inserts?
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