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Combine this with Augmented Reality technology and imagine the future.

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Mon, 2010-10-11 21:12

CodeBreaker CodeBreaker's picture

Combine this with Augmented Reality technology and imagine the future.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=FgTq-AgYlTE#!] So, it appears we have reached the point where we can remove objects from video feeds in real time. Every time I look at one of these kinds of videos I get the sudden jarring realization that it is the year 2010 and we live in the future. I cannot imagine how it must be for those of you who are twice my age.

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Tue, 2010-10-12 03:56

Arenamontanus Arenamontanus's picture

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That was a nice demonstration. Thanks to AR, a lot of people stay sane in the EP world despite the crumminess of many environments. You don't have to see how weird your co-workers look, or the fact that your habitat is pretty worn down. And if you all share the same AR overlay it is possible to ignore certain things and people really efficiently. "Steve? After what he did, we collectively diminished him. He is likely around here somewhere, but we don't have to see him."

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Tue, 2010-10-12 10:32

root

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root@Combine this with Augmented Reality [hr] This isn't the newest of techs, but the video put it to a novel and pleasing use. I ran across this when I was trying to design a wireless security camera system for my apartment (failed project). In the case of the security camera, it was designed to not record anything that was part of the static scenery, and only record something that wasn't supposed to be there. The camera compared the current image with a few other images from various points in time, and deleted anything that was already there. There is one thing the video does that I haven't seen, and that is the interpolation of the surface behind the removed object. I have some doubts that it would look very good if the object were removed from a complicated surface, but now I'm bickering about engineering details that no one else cares about. So, ignoring my quibbling, I really like this, and it reminds me of the Cylons in BSG, and how they could project whatever they wanted into the background, and remove annoyances. The only thing I fear for a future with this in it is how often I will get edited out of everyone else's stream. I will be a sad monkey.

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Tue, 2010-10-12 13:14

Extrasolar Angel Extrasolar Angel's picture

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""Steve? After what he did, we collectively diminished him. He is likely around here somewhere, but we don't have to see him."" Now imagine you are Steve and nobody talks to you, because you are not part of Hypercorp Alpha/PiRateZ Group 5/Followers of New Jesus or you do not buy products X/Y/Z. Now imagine you are Steven and nobody hears you dying on the street. Also imagine-removing homeless and beggars off the streets. And neither the cops beating them up. Also imagine-are you sure YOU are in control of the messages you allow to be seen?

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Tue, 2010-10-12 23:16

Rhyx

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The only thing I fear for a future with this in it is how often I will get edited out of everyone else's stream. I will be a sad monkey.

Aww, I promise not edit you out! I'll just use the mute button if you get too loud okay?

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Wed, 2010-10-13 03:41

Arenamontanus Arenamontanus's picture

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Of course, just blanking out Steve or the beggars has the problem that you will occasionally collide with them. The real trick is to replace them with neutral scenery taking up the same space - Steve becomes a generic person, the beggars replaced with some public art. I blogged about another image modification technology a while ago, http://www.aleph.se/andart/archives/2007/09/nervous_about_resizing.html where less important things (and people) are suppressed when there is not enough space for them. Maybe this is how combat AR could work: when in a critical situation distracting minor details get simplified away and you mainly see targets, bystanders, and tactically important scenery.

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Wed, 2010-10-13 12:10

root

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root@Combine this with Augmented Reality [hr]

Arenamontanus wrote:
Maybe this is how combat AR could work: when in a critical situation distracting minor details get simplified away and you mainly see targets, bystanders, and tactically important scenery.

Mmm. Yea, about that.

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Sun, 2010-10-24 10:42

urdith

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This could bring the idea of an Amish shunning to a whole new level. It could be part of a cognitive dissonance filter. A study found people who have strongly held beliefs based on incorrect data will become more entrenched in that belief if shown information which proves them wrong. Well, why bother seeing anything which contradicts your beliefs? You've now got an AR filter that edits reality so that disturbing bit of information you don't want to process is gone. Say goodbye to the homeless person on the corner.

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Sun, 2010-10-24 10:47

CodeBreaker CodeBreaker's picture

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urdith wrote:
Say goodbye to the homeless person on the corner.

And the Clanking Masses. And anyone not sleeved in an Exalt or better. Or anyone who doesn't have a registered income higher than your own. Imagine the social stigmas surrounding the lower classes when the elite literally have no need to even know they exist.

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Sun, 2010-10-24 11:23

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puke

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i remember a slashdot article about this from about 10 years ago. there was a defense contractor that was working on a project editing things into live video streams. they took a satellite feed of some desert, and adjusted it to look like an armor collum had gone by and they inserted signs of mass graves. all on the fly with live video. not just adding things on top, but subtilly changing details of what was already there. they brought in an intelligence analyst to look at it, and he was totally convinced. I cant find the article now, but it was pretty crazy stuff -- and this was 10 years old. right around the same time you started seeing digital information edited on top of your NFL games: billboards in the background edited for regional TV stations, animated first-down indicators, etc. even in the modern day, how can you be sure what you're being told is true? how can you be sure that the media or even the government isnt responding to some completely fabricated scenario?

Mon, 2010-10-25 20:15

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urdith

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puke wrote:
even in the modern day, how can you be sure what you're being told is true? how can you be sure that the media or even the government isnt responding to some completely fabricated scenario?

I think it boils down to LoE - Level of Effort. If the level of effort it takes to wipe out something from a live event is more than the gain from the final result, they won't bother doing it. It's when you can automate it that it becomes scary. "Are you a dyed in the wool capitalist? Tired of seeing evidence the free market is grossly weighted towards established powers? There's an app for that! Download the latest Ryandian filtration software and you'll not only get rid of those tiresome contradictions to your deeply held beliefs, but we'll do it in real-time!"

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Mon, 2010-10-25 20:27

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root

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root@Combine this with AR tech [hr] The fun part is that the editing of perceptions to fit with preconceived notions is what the brain is best at. This sort of app wouldn't be adding something new to the human experience, it would merely be enhancing and formalizing it. While there are definite political abuses for this tech, there are a number of very good uses for it as well. Full control of a visual interface like that can promote a hyperfocused state that is desirable for, say, surgeons. The trick is to, in real time, have a computer sense, process, and edit the incoming information to conform to the current attentional resources available to the user. Or, uh, so I've heard.

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Fri, 2010-10-29 23:26

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750

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I find myself reminded of two things. 1. Stalin used to have people that lost favor removed from official photos after the fact. 2. first season of ghost in the shell: stand alone complex. Laughing man pulled that trick more then once.

Fri, 2010-10-29 23:34

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750

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root wrote:
root@Combine this with Augmented Reality [hr] This isn't the newest of techs, but the video put it to a novel and pleasing use. I ran across this when I was trying to design a wireless security camera system for my apartment (failed project). In the case of the security camera, it was designed to not record anything that was part of the static scenery, and only record something that wasn't supposed to be there.

I think there is a open source program out there that only records when it detects movement, and that allows various exclusion zones to be designated (so that a plant on the back porch could be ignored because cats loved to mess with it). btw, i wonder how long before we hear about something like the esper machine that can look at reflections and expand on out of direct view areas based on that...

Sat, 2010-10-30 05:46

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Arenamontanus Arenamontanus's picture

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750 wrote:
btw, i wonder how long before we hear about something like the esper machine that can look at reflections and expand on out of direct view areas based on that...

I wrote a piece of software to do that with spherical reflections, mostly just to see how well it worked. It was not too hard (a bit of reverse raytracing in Matlab). The images were of course pretty blurred. Most likely there are papers in the computer graphics community about more general reflection-unmapping. Generally speaking, in EP the trade-off is between seeing limited base reality and seeing the much more useful AR world where meaning is indicated - but lies and illusions are much easier. However, just trusting base reality perception is also a mistake thanks to metamaterials, chameleon cloaks and other forms of illusions.

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